Which PTC's Work?

Et Tu, NeoBux? -- APRIL FOOLS!

2011-03-31T19:04:00.007-05:00

I'm not sure whether to be scared, or really amused. The cash and ads are showing in roman, though when you mouse-over, they display back as normal.

It's April Fools! And, by the way, Golden's become Supervisor, and Ultimates become President!

Pioneers become Ancient.

Not sure what Help desk is.

And guess what the admin is!

It's hard to be annoyed at this guy :P

I'm liking his humor.

NeoBux: Remember The $0.50 ticket?

2011-03-29T10:24:00.006-05:00

Well, it's real.

I'm not sure what to make of that. But, if it's a regular occurrence, that would definitely be something to add against expenses. Lots of changes are happening... not sure yet if it's a good idea to stay. Will keep clicking until I've decided. Funny, though, how the improvements are offered slowly, while the one huge disappointment is dropped at the turn of a dime. Funny, innut... Oh, I know, admin, I know - it's because of "the reaction" to it. Either you're a schmuck (one with good intentions, of course), an idiot (again, one with good intentions, of course), or a scammer. Time will tell.

(Couldn't find the original post, so I'll post PTC-I's)
http://ptc-investigation.com/NeoBux.aspx
"9. Bonuses - For each advertisement you see you'll have an opportunity to earn $0.50 each hour. If you've seen advertisements in the past hour, you're eligible for the draw. This amount will be added to the main balance and users can do what they want with it."

NeoBux: A Turn for the Better

2011-03-25T15:12:00.001-05:00

http://www.neobux.com/forum/?frmid=3&tpcid=197925

"Looking back almost 2 weeks ago, where the first and required step of the process was implemented, and recalling the chaos created by those who fear changes even though proven successful, I will take it easy this time."

"All the needed changes were to be ready until month's end and would turn NeoBux into the most perfect place to be BUT I won't take the risk, even though I'm perfectly sure everyone would love it, to make these radical changes all at once. I understand that some need time to digest changes and evolve with them. I understand and accept it. It's even better to have a surprise every now and then than to risk some having a heart attack for looking at something wonderful that was appeared overnight."

"Instead of a global instant change you'll benefit from the new model one feature at a time until we can finally conclude all changes."

"New features will be introduced as soon as the current ones are fully understood by our users."

THANK YOU. Although, I don't appreciate your inane characterization:
"having a heart attack for looking at something wonderful that was appeared overnight."
No, no, and no. But whatever. You can view it however you like so long as you're actually listening. Or do you REALLY think that users thought that earning $0.001 instead of $0.01 was "looking at something wonderful"?

NeoBux's 2012

2011-03-23T10:47:00.000-05:00

I figured I'd get a snapshot of my earnings, since they happened to fall on the number:

As we wait for the end (or, at least, to the point where I have decided it's time to cashout) of NeoBux, having gone from probably the best PTC in the industry, to a suicide dive, we can at least amuse ourselves with things like this. Hopefully when I do cashout, I get the cash. I'm thinking I'll wait till the 1st of next month, or sometime around then. In the meantime, I've been finding other, better PTCs:

That's the one I'm guessing people aren't the most familiar with, and it's the one I'm most hopeful in. A lot of links at $0.001, and a cashout of $1. Nice!

PTC checkup - Are They Worth It?

2011-03-20T13:22:00.002-05:00

I'm going to just go through some PTCs and check out their value:

Sift 1:

NeoBux
-4 guaranteed ads at $0.001 per day = $0.004
-To rent: $0.66. $0.66 / $0.004 = 165 days
-To cashout ($2); $2 / $0.004 = 500 days
-Feel: Feels alright. Little annoying the ads are down in value.

YouCubez
-48 cash cubes at 0.0002 = 0.0096
-To cashout (6); 6 / 0.0096 = 625 days
-Feel: Takes forever (30 min - 1 hr)! Long load time even though ads themselves aren't that high.

ClixSense
-0-12 ads per day = $0.00 - $0.12
-Cashout $10 / ($0.00 or $0.12) = never to 84 days
Feel: It's alright. Occasional annoying ad-breakers.

LinkGrand
-0-8 (approx.) at $0.003 = $0 - $0.024
-Cashout $5 / ($0 or $0.024) = never to 208.3 days
Feel: Meh. Layout could be considered annoying (new page for viewing ad by default), but it's useful for refreshing the page.

BigKahunaClicks
-3-15 (approx) at approx. $0.0005 = $0.0015 - $0.0075
Cashout $0.04 / ($0.0015 or $0.0075) = 27 to 5.3 days
Feel: Feels nice.

Wordlink
-2-4 (approx) at $0.005 (1-2) to $0.01 (2-3) = average $0.025
-Cashout $10 / $0.025 = 400 days
Feel: Feels nice.

AdPaid
-0-4 at .1c to .3c = $0 to $0.012
-Cashout: $3 / $0.012 = 250 days
Feel: Little archaic, not too annoying; very few ads

Clicksia
-about 12-15 ads at $0.001 - $0.005 = $0.012 to $0.075
-Cashout $1 / ($0.012 to $0.075) = 83.3 or 13.3 days
Feel: Slightly tedious security, annoying thing to click at ad end - using adblocker to stop that.

Bux-Matrix
-3-4 at about $0.004 = $0.012 to $0.016
-Cashout $2 / ($0.012 to $0.016) = 166.7 to 125 days
Feel: Hate it. Hard to navigate. But the ads don't take that long...

Incentria
-10-14 at about $0.001 to $0.004 = $0.01 to $0.056
-Cashout $1 / ($0.01 to $0.056) = 100 to 18 days
Feel: Slightly tedious security, annoying thing to click at ad end - using adblocker to stop that.

BuxP
-about 35 at $0.001 to $0.005 = $0.035 to $0.175
-Cashout $17.99 / ($0.035 to $0.175) = 514 to 102.8 days
Feel: Not too annoying.

JillsClickCorner
-approx: 10 ads per page at $0.001 to $0.01 * 25 pages = 250 * ($0.001 to $0.01) = $0.25 to $2.50
-Cashout $1 / ($0.25 to $2.50) = 4 to .4 days
Feel: It's alright.

Rank:

JillsClickCorner
4 to .4 days
Feel: It's alright.

BigKahunaClicks
27 to 5.3 days
Feel: Feels nice.

Clicksia
83.3 or 13.3 days
Feel: Slightly tedious security, annoying thing to click at ad end - using adblocker to stop that.

Incentria
100 to 18 days
Feel: Slightly tedious security, annoying thing to click at ad end - using adblocker to stop that.

ClixSense
never to 84 days
Feel: It's alright. Occasional annoying ad-breakers.

Bux-Matrix
166.7 to 125 days
Feel: Hate it. Hard to navigate. But the ads don't take that long...

BuxP
514 to 102.8 days
Feel: Not too annoying.

LinkGrand
never to 208.3 days
Feel: Meh. Layout could be considered annoying (new page for viewing ad by default), but it's useful for refreshing the page.

AdPaid
250 days
Feel: Little archaic, not too annoying; very few ads

Wordlink
400 days
Feel: Feels nice.

NeoBux
500 days
-Feel: Feels alright. Little annoying the ads are down in value.

YouCubez
625 days
-Feel: Takes forever (30 min - 1 hr)! Long load time even though ads themselves aren't that high.

Fuck you too, NeoBux

2011-03-19T18:03:00.000-05:00

Ok, I'm sorry. I have to let some more steam out.

"What really puzzled me were the things users wrote which happened the other way around. I would like to point out some examples which are really important:
- "I'm quitting": Most of those that wrote this never did quit and, judging from the overall users' activity, I see no difference, quite the opposite.
- "Everybody will cashout": Even though I also made everyone comfortable doing so, we only had a small 2.1% increase in cashouts (as per last week's average) in the past 48 hours. Since we have always ups and downs ranging 4% every day, it remained unnoticeable.
- "My referrals will leave": Not only most didn't but they've been taking these changes with great pleasure. Global clicking activity has risen a bit (around 6%) in the past 2 days and today looks even better. The highest activity was made from users that had no referrals while most that have continued doing their 2 or 3 clicks per day.
- "New users won't register": Here's where we had our greatest rise which I failed to predict at all... 18% increase of new registrations in average in the past 48 than any other day of this year. Today a higher increase is projected. This is actually higher than the boost we had last birthday."

1. "I'm quitting" - Lack of time scale much? I'm going to be quitting in about 2 or so weeks... When I'm able to actually cashout. Are you deliberately being dense? Not everyone can cashout. Especially with the slower earnings!
2. refer to 1, actually.
3. refer to 1... I'm probably someone's referral, am I not?
4. That's weird. I'm wondering what you're manipulating with this. If I saw this new opportunity from NeoBux, I'd think the person inviting me was insane.

"One thing that truly disappointed me, and I have to be honest with you, was the reaction of some users. I understand that some were only worried about a few cents and never stopped to realize what they could earn more and preferred to shoot first and ask questions later. Many have come to their senses now and I'm happy they did and, trust me, there's no grudge on my end. Better to learn late than never to learn at all.
99% of the users that needed to blow some steam posted and only 1% that were happy posted. It's always like this and I think that will never change."
:-) You're wrong. I still hate you.

"About the forum spam and misuage:
This has been TOTALLY inadmissible."
Yeah. Sounds like what you did. Now THAT - THAT - that was inadmissible! You're turning into a scam.

"Now I need to get things ready for the 25th. I'm two days delayed due to all the unnecessary spam"
Well, now that will be an interesting day, won't it? Hopefully people will cashout before you announce that you've scammed us all.

NeoBux - Frontier Psychologist: "How do you feel today?"

2011-03-15T14:59:00.004-05:00

Cue Frontier Psychologist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8BWBn26bX0

"How do you feel today?"
"Poll Question:

This poll is being made to know EXACTLY how our users feel about the new changes.
Why? Because what some wrote is completely different from what's happening and, although I see everything is getting better, I need to be absolutely sure and users will also get a general idea.
I know that many misunderstood the changes at first and needed to see the reality for themselves which is why this poll was only created now, 48 hours after the changes.

The question is simple:

ARE THE NEW CHANGES BETTER FOR YOU?
or
DO YOU LIKE THE NEW CHANGES?

This topic is closed to avoid spammers but you can vote.
It will be closed in a few hours, as soon as a significative amount of votes is gathered. A new topic will then be created to discuss the results.

Answers:
1: Yes

2: No"

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/frontier-psychiatrist-lyrics-the-avalanches/23d0c706ca58bab548256a7e002af621
"Is NeoBux ill, Is NeoBux ill, Is NeoBux ill
Is NeoBux ill today, Mr Kirk, NeoBux's in school
I'm afraid he's not, Miss Fishpaw
NeoBux's truancy problem is way out of hand
The Baltimore County school board have decided to expel
NeoBux from the entire public school system

Oh Mr Kirk, I'm as upset as you to learn of NeoBux's truancy
But surely, expulsion is not the answer!
I'm afraid expulsion is the only answer
It's the opinion of the entire staff that NeoBux is criminally insane

That boy needs therapy, psychosomatic,
That boy needs therapy, purely psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy
Lie down on the couch! What does that mean?
You're a nut! You're crazy in the coconut!
What does that mean? That boy needs therapy
I'm gonna kill you, that boy needs therapy
Grab a kazoo, let's have a duel
Now when I count three
That, that, that, that, that boy.. boy needs therapy
He was white as a sheet
And he also made false teeth

Frontier Psychiatrist
Frontier, frontier, frontier, frontier
Frontier, frontier, frontier, frontier
Frontier, frontier, frontier, frontier

That boy needs therapy, psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy, purely psychosomatic
That boy needs therapy
Lie down on the couch, what does that mean?
You're a nut! You're crazy in the coconut!
What does that mean? That boy needs therapy"

I'm not going to answer the question. To anyone who has reading these posts, the answer is obvious.
So, NeoBux, how do you feel about that? Are your doubts about your sheep gone?

A Strategic Death For NeoBux?

2011-03-14T06:03:00.003-05:00

An excellent commentary, in my opinion:
By SadDayForNeo
http://ptc-investigation.com/neobux.aspx
"Until now, Neobux had shown more skill than all the other ptc sites out there, but with this latest move we finally see clear evidence that Neobux is in trouble.
What is the proof ? Because admin is sharply reducing all the click rates that are a DIRECT EXPENSE for him. The click rates on his own ads (which has always been a way to attract customers to make affiliate commissions for his own account ), the direct ref clicks.
So why is he leaving the rented ref clicks at the same level ? Because they are NOT an expense to him ! The refs you rent on the site are mere BOTS, and their average click rates are entirely manipulated by the script - The admin allows only a select minority to make a profit on rented refs, and those are the people who have already invested substantially in the site. For the rest of us, he sets the click rates so that we are either break even, or make a slight loss, so that he does not lose a penny. I was a golden member for a year, and after a couple of months it became clear to me that even though daily click numbers varied wildly, their average always ended up by some incredible coincidence very close to my purchase price, and that level would hold steady for months on end ! Such things do of course not occur by chance, but because the script is programmed in that way…
Bye bye Neobux, this is the first nail in the coffin, turning you for now into an Aurora site. When will the next shoe drop ?"

And combine with that his evasive and condescending answers, and you have
THE NEXT BUX.TO! Great.

Awww! Look at one of the True Believers:
"Thank's Admin .

This poll show's you're always here to build a hand-by-hand busyness.

I believe those changes will be nice but we all know that's a long way to walk.
I don't mind that 30.000 unbeliever's leave.

Those were the ones who never understood NEOBUX, those were the one's who click casually, so I don't mind they leave as I don't mind to earn less from Fixed advertisements.

My ref's are still clicking, less, but they're clicking and I earn the same.

Thanks for sharing profit's with us Admin .

ROCK'S"

Soooo cute! Think the meat will taste delicious?

And a cute-funny one:
"I have suggestion:

0,0000000001$ for Fixed advertisements
0,0000000000$ for Mini Exposure
0,0000000000$ for Micro Exposure

0,0000000000000000000001 for direct referrals
0,0000000000000000000000 for rented referrals

1000$ for sign in
5000$ for upgrade
9999$ for ultimate

1.000.000$ minimum withdraw

Advertisers will be happy
Admin will be happy
Owner will be happy

Rest of us? Who cares"

Proudly Banned From NeoBux's Forums[?]

2011-03-14T05:45:00.001-05:00

Apparently, I've been temporarily banned from the forum. I really don't give a fuck. I'm tired of the place. I've said what I have to say. There's a "Cult of Personality" going on there that annoys me. Lots of people acting like sheep and like having faith in the admin is the BEST THING EVAR. I couldn't disagree more. Fuck that. Fuck NeoBux. People who talk shit about the admin or suggest that the referrals are bots are banned. I can understand the reasoning, but it's all getting a bit tiring. It was already drawing close to the BULLSHIT! alert. So, yeah: Fuck NeoBux for now. I'm going to give it one more week, and then I'm gone.

http://ptc-investigation.com/neobux.aspx
greend88
"For some reason I can't get to the Forum on the site every time I try to go to it goes to the Terms and Conditions page. I submitted a ticket earlier today but no response. Someone asked if their were any other bux sites and Mentioned VcBux and Onbux but didn't give any links. It also filtered the word OnBux lol. I've been paid twice instantly from those two sites in the last month. Also cashed out twice with neobux too but doubt I will ever get to cashout again at this rate."

Uh... so, the admin closed down the forums? I wasn't banned?

Has NeoBux Committed Suicide?

2011-03-13T08:18:00.022-05:00

Seriously. $0.04 is now $0.004?

Check it out:
http://www.neobux.com/forum/?frmid=3&tpcid=192785

Remember when Swagbucks had that *great* idea of giving people more Swagbucks when they searched (while glossing over the fact that everything in the store became 10x more expensive, thus in effect cheapening search credits)? Well, now NeoBux, in my eyes, has become one of the lower-par PTCs. What do I mean by that? I mean that the clicks are worth $0.001 each. And I mean the "Fixed advertisements".

I mention this because this could potentially mean that I cannot continue the experiment. I've already got an annoyingly large time-scale: 120 days. I can't imagine what a headache this might be if I try that somewhere along the line of 1200 days. What IS that? ... It's 3.33 years. ... 3 years. Yeah. I have my hands thrown up in perplextion. I'm going to wait a bit to see if the situation is truly as suicidal as it seems. It simply can't be the case; it doesn't make sense.

Later that day:
http://www.neobux.com/forum/?frmid=3&tpcid=193151
"Discussion on latest changes."

This part of it I find to be hilarious:
"I don't understand why users post something and do the opposite, really. Users claiming that they'll leave and they've been around all day clicking each new advertisement, for example."
Being a moron? Yeah, they're going to leave after they've been able to make cashout, after they've confirmed that the earnings are so low it's not worth it. Yeah, they're clicking away because they're in panic, you moron!

"Now that most of them have actually seen that they've misunderstood how things will work, I've opened this new topic for users to discuss things in an adult way."
And this is raising red flags for me. Christians say this sort of thing when atheists point out their bullshit. Is this indeed the last days of NeoBux?

"So please, cut the drama since you know that this, as always, will have a good outcome."
Oh yes, as Thou, our Lard, doth tell us. And we are Thy sheep. Fuck that shit.

"So, please, discuss all you want but be fair so that we all can have a nice conversation.
The latest closed topic is something that users that posted certain things won't be proud of in the next days. I'll leave it there as a reminder that we all must read first and think about all possible scenarios."
So, you scold people for not reacting well to getting $0.004 instead of $0.04, and just leave it at that? WTF.

"No one is running away... cashout are there for you if you're scared. Just use the pretty green button and take what's yours as no one will stop you as always."
Ah, so you're a "confidence man".

As you say yourself, you're relying on built-up trust:
"For those who know me by now it's easy to ask for this trust."

And you're not giving any answers. ... Why?

"

Admin

REPLY QUOTE +

Posts: 12938

	Today at 15:15

Quote [Steeps5]:

I did understand the changes correctly. What it means is that we have to do 10 times the work to earn the same amount of money. The value for adds is now 1/10 of what they used to be, showing that it really will take 10 times the work we used to put in.

Yes, that's true and you're not having any misconception regarding it but only for fixed advertisements.
On the other hand, as we've lowered up to 35% the cost of our click packs, there will be a huge increase of advertisements per day. Not only that but we've managed to change what most advertisers left us for: The exclusivity of their advertisements has to be greater than ours.
Since I cannot unveil the new additions right now, I'll stop here.

"
""I did understand the changes correctly. What it means is that we have to do 10 times the work to earn the same amount of money. The value for adds is now 1/10 of what they used to be, showing that it really will take 10 times the work we used to put in."
"Yes, that's true and you're not having any misconception regarding it but only for fixed advertisements.
On the other hand, as we've lowered up to 35% the cost of our click packs, there will be a huge increase of advertisements per day. Not only that but we've managed to change what most advertisers left us for: The exclusivity of their advertisements has to be greater than ours.
Since I cannot unveil the new additions right now, I'll stop here.""

You DO realize that this makes NeoBux very Aurora-like? You DO realize that this makes it lower-par, because people can't click at ads one-shot and be done with them? Those add-ons had better be fuckin' good.

"No one is running away... cashout are there for you if you're scared. Just use the pretty green button and take what's yours as no one will stop you as always."

Well...
"Even if we discuss this in an adult way, the site will keep giving us not even a cent per day, and by the way, you said we just need to click the green button to cashout, how is that possible if i need 20 cents (+ -) to cashout, which will be impossible to achieve with those micro-cents."

"Then you didn't understand it correctly. The rented referrals are still the same amount. So what you're saying is completely false."
So, if you didn't realize, rr (rented referrals) have infamously low click rates. I go on the assumption that they won't click. Kapeesh?

"

Today at 15:19

Quote [send24]:

I will stay here until I reach my next payment because i am close, and after that I will leave!!! So that's the reason we are clicking, and because some members think that this is a joke!!!

THIS IS A RIP OFF AND NOTHING ELSE BUT A RIP OFF.

People have invested over 100$ into your site and now they have to click years and years to return it!

No. No one invested any amount based on the total of own advertisements.
Given that, and to never to those who have invested, their referral earnings will be the same.

The initial idea, since we needed to maintain the same amount of advertisements for rented referrals' commissions, was actually to only give those the fixed advertisements.

Since it would be totally unethical, it was decided to give them to everyone."

Um, what? No one invested based on their own ads? Well, that's just plain false. EVERYONE invested based on having 4 ads a day at $0.01. WTF admin?
And that second part still makes no sense to me. Decrypt it for us, if you would.

Someone attempts to demystify this:
http://www.neobux.com/forum/?/7/193134/Just-attempt-to-clarify-the-news/
"The changes:
You get every click 0,001 Cent.
If you have directs, you get depending on membership.
- Standard members: $0.0005
- Golden members: $0.005
- Golden members with a Golden Pack: $0.01
Rental value is still the same."

Ok. And? It still looks like PTC suicide to me.

"Quote [Icklorfin]:

Yeah, I really don't like how he just had to made the profit for standards worse ;-;. Before you could get 4c for just 4 clicks, now you'd need at least 40 clicks for micro-ads and those fixed ads just to do the same.

thats it. He want to motivate people to invest in neobux to buy members and stay active because of the clicks they must do for getting payed for their members."

So, in other words, buy more referrals... OR ELSE. So, in other words, invest money, OR ELSE. So, in other words, this is becoming a shit sandwich. So, in other words, you're a fuckin' moron, admin.

So: How NeoBux is committing suicide:
http://www.neobux.com/forum/?/7/193134/Just-attempt-to-clarify-the-news/21/
"This is an incorrect understanding. If you rent rent-referrals, and they click 4 ads a day, then you will get $0.02.

THIS is not what the problem is. The problem is that these rent-referrals when they click, they will only earn $0.001 a click, and so if they do not have rent-referrals themselves, they will stop clicking.

Therefore this new payment method will be fine for a while, but when people catch on, the losses will transmit higher and higher up the pyramid.

THIS is the problem with this model!"

"Quote [mrevan]:

as i said alot of users who works for 2$ and cashout they dont have any reffs, but they are the someones refferalls, so if they gonna quit nobody is going to have profitable refferals

No one (or at least not a noticeable amount) of users will quit. If all goes according to my prediction, it will even bring more users.

Quote [helder1986]:

But Admin try to understand some people doesn't have the time to click hours and hours, so because of that ours AVG will drop exponencialy...

Its not a motivation...

It won't take hours.

Quote [comebackdan]:

Legitimate Question - Will Standard users be able to click more than 4 fixed ads per day? I currently am seeing the 15 fixed ads as normal. Will I have 17, 19, 25 in the future?

Depends on the advertiser and maybe a fixed bonus given by us.

Quote [valywanted]:

I think that neobux will lost more members because we have no motivation if we are Standard member.......and Its no faire!!

You'll have plenty motivation, don't worry."

Meh. Waiting in pissed anticipation.

"Quote [RsRoyalty]:

Maybe it would be helpful if you told us all the change. As I had not idea the rented refs give the same amount as before, from the fixed ads, and that would've helped a lot to have known.

It was explained but not emphasized. I sometimes forget that people target bad things faster than good ones with their eyes."

Nah, not really. It's just that if you're looking to commit PTC suicide, that's sort of worrysome. No biggie, though. We can just go to another PTC that isn't into goth. WHAT good ones? Eh? We can't enjoy the good ones if we don't KNOW about them. They're a SURPRISE, remember?

"Quote [willo012]:

admin posing this new thread seems a little immature? what are you some 15 year old kid? im not meaning to be offensive but the facts are many standard members WILL leave because of this silly error and this WILL result in many many member losing out. as a loyal member im asking you to reverse this or please explain properly how this can help anyone because i fail to see what you are trying to do. its a shame to say that you have officially sunk the neobux ship :/

No, but I have good memories of that period a long time ago, thank you.
That's your opinion which comes without facts. I have them."

*cough* "I sometimes forget that people target bad things faster than good ones with their eyes." "That's your opinion which comes without facts. I have them." *cough*
Care to share the facts, all-mighty Zeus?

http://www.neobux.com/forum/?/3/193151/Discussion-on-latest-changes/171/
"Quote [LinkAssist]:

Thanks for giving us a little feedback, Admin. Could you help us out, though? Many are running scared, waiting for the other shoe to fall (or afraid it already has). What new benefits will be upcoming for Standards on Neobux's non-birthday? Can you tell us something that will ease the panic and slow the bleeding?
Keeping my fingers crossed...

Sorry, but you should know by now that a surprise is a surprise."

Sorry, but you should know by now that a seemingly idiotic decision with a lack of visuals of the good stuff results in not good feelings.

"You've noticed it but that's still with the previous price. It takes 24 hours for clicks to be available to advertisers so tomorrow will be different."

*pissed* Good. You'd better hope fuckin' so.

"Although many complaint, the actual truth is that most have been more active today than any other day (and it's Sunday).
They post "it's bad" then realize it's actually good but never say "I was wrong"."
*facepalm*

"Thank you for your concerns, I do appreciate them. Do you really think that I would even a small change if it would hurt NeoBux in any way? I always struggle when making changes due to the fact that a few don't understand them at first. I could just sit back and think "Let them earn only that" instead of thinking "What can I do to make them earn more?". But what can I say? I just can't be passive."
A week's notice would be nice.

"Quote [Govahram]:

This remind me of the demonstrations in middle east and north Africa no offend, you have the Anti-admin and the Admin sympathizers hihi just kidding

Please don't make jokes about serious events like that. Thank you."
Oh really? ^_^ Fuck you too, NeoBux Hitman. Oh wait, I meant to say admin. What's the difference, though? :P

A Way To Test NeoBux

2011-02-16T04:07:00.001-06:00

I've calculated a way to test if it's possible to make money with NeoBux. Yes, I've said that I'm done with PTCs. Apparently, I haven't yet totally convinced myself. I need to know if NeoBux is even potentially reliable. So this is what I've done.

It costs $0.66 to rent the minimum referrals (3).
It costs $3.69 to extend them for the maximum amount of time (240 days).

There are two first problems.

1. How do you deal with waiting, if you're going to click 4 ads per day (108.75 days to get to that)?
2. How do you match up referral sets? That is, how do you deal with the 30 day difference that always occurs?

The solution to problem 1 is that I give money to anyone who might be interested in trying this out, assuming that the current strategy that I'm using works. If it works, then won't I have money to doll out? For me, the solution was that I already had money in my NeoBux from all the experimenting; so, no waiting.
However, assuming that neither of these are true...
Extending 3 refs for 60 more days costs $1.20. During that time (30 days of having the 3 refs you just got), if you've clicked 4 ads per day, you'll have $1.20 (30 * 4). If you haven't, extending 3 refs for 30 days costs $0.21, leaving, hopefully, excess money. Repeating this process will eventually get you up to being able to extend for 240 days each time. Tedious? Yes. But it won't feel as long as the 108 day wait: you're doing something, and you're watching your referrals.

The solution to problem 2 is to separate the 30 from the rest of the equation.
240 (extension) + 30 (initial referral amount) = 270. I couldn't match it up using the 270, but I could with the 240. The plan is to, every 120 days, to check up on how the referrals are doing, see if it's plausible to get more, and then perhaps to buy another set of referrals.

Why will this work?
Gain is greater than cost.

4 * 120 = 480; $4.80. (Assumed gain of clicking every day)
3.69 + .66 = 4.35; $4.35 (Cost of renting new referrals)

Depending on how well the referrals click, I may or may not get many sets. I'm assuming that there won't be a lot of clicking, and I plan to find about where the drop-off is (and if, perhaps, it's computer-generated, and if that means it's engineered to be impossible, and if that means you have to get golden, and whether that means it's a scam or that you "have to put in something to get something out").

So, assuming for not that many new sets:
$4.80 - $3.69 = $1.11. Recycling costs $0.07. $1.11 / $0.07 = 15.857, or 15. That's per 120 days, because that's the refresh rate. So: 15 per 120 days, or 1 per 8 days. So: using this method, you can recycle once per 8 days and have money to make the system go.

I'm also using the paper-and-pen method to record things down. I don't know why, but it just works better for me than the Excel system. The reason I switched is that I accidentally deleted the Excel (trying to use google docs in combination with my hard-drive, making for a transition that... yeah)... and, I'm just really tired of using it. I like to turn pages, too. I just prefer it right now... bug off...

This system should be usable by anyone who wants to investigate the NeoBux PTC.

Why PTCing is a sham

2010-12-06T14:49:00.001-06:00

Consider this post not here. Nah, just kidding. This blog isn't exactly dead, but I've absolutely lost my enthusiasm for talking about PTCs, except, of course, if it involves PTC bashing. Which is what this post is about.

ebele tells me she doesn't understand how getting direct referrals is giving someone else the short end of the stick. I posted my answer to the comments section of the last post, and thought it worthy of its own post:
Simply put: Would you, if you had no direct or rented referrals, stay in the PTC you would be collecting direct referrals in? If the answer is no, then what about the people who are without direct referrals, as you get further and further down the line of direct referrals? Eventually, you'll either find someone who doesn't care, and so the whole thing unravels, or who can't get referrals, and so the whole thing unravels. Because, would you stay in if you couldn't get any referrals? If not...
This problem was quintessential with GDI (Global Domains International). It's less evident with PTCs.

How does it unravel? Well, if the person above you is in the PTC business because there are referrals clicking for her and making her money, and the person above that person is doing it for the same reasons, and the person above that person, likewise, and so on and so forth for a good number of people, if the people who are under one of them, way down the line, stops clicking out of boredom (let's just consider that to be not the case for this scenario), or stops clicking because the specific PTC has reached saturation point (everyone's heard about it and everyone's in it), then what about the person who got this last person in as a referral? The person starts losing her direct referrals, which was a good deal of the motivation for clicking (the difference between $30 per month and $1 per month), and so she stops clicking. Oh boy, and what about the person above her? And the person above her? The person above the person that's above her?

You end up with the domino effect, starting from the direct referrals that were at the end of the saturation, and leading up to the very first people who got into the PTC business with this particular PTC.

Supposedly, renting referrals helps with this (so you have more equality in the situation). And, perhaps, it is, if you get one of the packages that cost $90+. And I might try it out just to see if it makes PTCing any less of a sham. But I thought the idea was to not spend money on PTCs? Well, it's not like it would be any worse than $200+ on bux.to... *shrugs*

None.

2010-11-22T19:44:00.001-06:00

I started this blog trying to find out if there were or are any decent PTCs. I have come to the conclusion that there aren't.
First I started with a wide berth, finding any and all PTCs that I could find.
Then, when I was taking way too much time out of my day to click ads for all of the sites, I started narrowing my search down with qualifiers.
Soon it was down to just NeoBux and a few other things. I dropped most of the other PTCs I was doing and focused on NeoBux. NeoBux has proven to be... not worth it. A steady slope downwards is what you'll find if you look at the number of clicks per referral for 3 rents each time.

So to answer my starting question, "Which PTCs Work?", None of them do. Oh sure, you can make some pittance off of them, but nothing all that great. The only way to make a decent amount of money with them would be to get lots of direct referrals, but who wants to put the duty of clicking for no reason on someone else? I certainly don't.

So, I'm sticking with Gomez, which has proven to be pretty reliable, and Swagbucks, which has one annoying feature of having to log in a shitload of times, but is otherwise alright.

Consider this blog done, unless I find a reason to revive it.

So I finally caved in...

2010-10-08T16:35:00.000-05:00

And recycled the 3 referrals. Interestingly, the clicks of the "fresh" referrals were instantly at 4, though off and on. I find this to be curious, and it makes me wonder, if this is going to be a consistent thing, what a healthy recycle ratio might be. I.e., is there a way to assume recycling to be the case, and still, overall, be able to make a profit? At what point should recycling happen, and will that make for sustainable growth? This will be the next question I explore in relation to PTCs and NeoBux.

9/24/2010 3 2
9/25/2010 3 1
9/26/2010 3 2
9/27/2010 3 2
9/28/2010 3 2
9/29/2010 3 1
9/30/2010 3 1
10/1/2010 3 2
10/2/2010 3 2
10/3/2010 3 1
10/4/2010 3 2
10/5/2010 3 -190
10/6/2010 3 12
10/7/2010 3 8
10/8/2010 3 8
(Legend: the recurring 3 stands for the number of referrals. To get the average clicks, divide the number that follows after the 3, by 3, because it's the sum of all 3 referrals.)
(The -190 just means that I recycled the referrals, and that's the resultant number from all the build-up. Apparently the total number of clicks from them was 190.)

NeoBux Renting Rescue: The Fundamental Flaw

2010-09-28T12:48:00.000-05:00

The problem with trying to direct referrals is that of basically being
a spambot and creating an unsustainable MLM matrix:
there's inevitably going to be a loser, if not many.

However, this problem is not eliminated with renting.
Instead, it's put off a bit down the line. Especially with
NeoBux, you're not pushing people to click. The clicking
is dependent on whether they want to get the clicks
from their referrals. All well and good.

Here's the problem: You can rent more than one person.
And that person can only be rented to you.
That means that that person can't be rented to anyone else.
And that means that if someone has all of the rents,
then no-one else can rent.

Let's just say everyone in the world who was on NeoBux
was rented to 10 people. What does this mean for the other
non-10 people? That means that there's no incentive to click -
whose clicks are you trying to get?

Thus, it seems, unless there's an equal distribution of who
gets the clickers, the system will implode. And even with
an insane thing like regulating NeoBux -- growth can only
come from getting more clicks, and getting more clicks
comes from getting more users. This fundamentally limits
the system. You just get the direct referral problem happening
later on, in a more dispersed and abstract way.

So - the fundamental flaw: people can only be rented to one
person at a time. Which is great for the people who got into the
system really fast. But soon, the people who are clicking to
get their referral clicks will notice a decline in the referral
clicks (because the referrals aren't getting clicks from the
people THEY rented), and accordingly, will become rather
demotivized and probably stop clicking.

And guess how that'll end up?

Even in the best-case scenario where everyone clicked 4 ads
each day, the only way to get more clicks is to invite more people
into NeoBux so you can use their clicks. And why will they
click? Who knows -- everyone's already rented to someone! (theoretically)

What's the solution?

I'll take a stab: a system that is integrated with something else,
probably a social networking site or something. Like a facebook
NeoBux or a Gmail NeoBux, or something like that. In a similar
vein as Swagbucks, where the company provides incentives to
look at otherwise-annoying ads. Now, because those ads are
being seen, you've gotten exposure to product x. And so it
would in that way be a win-win scenario.

A Dying Trend?

2010-08-29T02:33:00.003-05:00

Well howdy. It's almost been a month.

What have I been doing? Not much. Lots of relationship stuff.

I've been doing NeoBux, mainly. I'm wanting to do other PTCs
as well, or something else at the least, but it looks like the only
reliable PTC that has a rental system is NeoBux.

Gomez, Swagbucks, and NeoBux. And frankly, the money
so far hasn't exactly been that fast. Money from Swagbucks
has helped here and there, though.

My initial guess regarding NeoBux was to do with the
following calculations:
- 4 clicks per 3 referrals (break-even standpoint)
- How long this would take to reproduce more referrals who, in turn, make me enough money to
- Rent more referrals

A Standard member in NeoBux can have 300 referrals.

My calculation was thus this:

If there is a total and overall average of 4.1 clicks per
3 rentals, then after you make enough profit to rent referrals
and get to 300, you'll make a
daily profit of $8.10, a
monthly profit of $243, and a
yearly profit of $2956.50.

And the time in total to get to this would be
142 days.

Not exactly great, but then, it's a whole lot better
than investing 6 months of excitement, anticipation,
and around $200 into a site like bux.to!

Not too shabby, but indeed based on an assumption,
and an important one:
A 1.37 click ratio.

The next step has been to see what I'd actually get,
and adjust expectations accordingly.

Unfortunately, the ratio I've been getting have been
a lot lower than what would be needed. 1.14, and trending
downward. The reason, of course, is that I'm not recycling.
At all. Mostly because I'm curious of what will happen if
I keep the rental. Will the rental become active? Stay dormant?
For how long?

Since the renew prices have changed, and more types
of renews have been added, I've revised my approach
to being a bit more indecisive as to what to do next.
I both want to have a high average - as high as possible,
and I want to observe clickers. My approach to this before,
I suspect, was to over-recycle. Or maybe it wasn't -
I don't really know.

Additionally, having referrals who don't click - and click
less - is really boring. I'm finding myself less and less interested
in continuing, so I think I've going to soon recycle them,
if not just to make it so I don't lose hope (hey, it's my blog;
I can be melodramatic if I want).

But yeah. Everything otherwise, this internet stuff is
looking pretty shitty. If nothing else, when I get another
job I'll maybe use some extra money to speed the NeoBux
process along and find out this stuff faster, but that's about
all I'd do.

Maybe there aren't any decent PTCs. Or maybe I do just
need to upgrade to Golden, and that will change things.
*shrugs*

PTC Relapse... again

2010-08-03T23:41:00.000-05:00

Alright. So I said I was done with PTCs, right?
That's what I said however-many-years-ago
after I spent around $200 on bux.to and got
$10 back.

And I was done with PTCs... for about a year or so.
Then I came back to check them out, and found
that NeoBux had started up about 6 months
earlier.

What can I say? I'm a PTC addict. I want an
easy way to make money. It doesn't necessarily
have to be fast, but it does have to be reliable,
and preferably have a high potential. Within
reasonable limits, of course, in order to avoid
wasting an exuberant amount of time, and in
order to avoid getting scammed (Ok, really,
just to make it less likely. In the PTC world,
scam in the norm; you just move on).

For example, the payout has to take less than
something like 60 days - otherwise paypal
won't refund it. I heard that from somewhere.
Makes sense.

Early on I realized that getting direct referrals
for PTCs was not the way to go. Why?
Because it results in a pyramid scheme.
How? Think of it:
You're trying to get direct referrals so you
can make money. Which means that you're
not making money as it stands. Why would
your direct referrals want to join unless they
could make money? And how would they
make money? Through getting direct referrals.
And how would those referrals make money?
By getting direct referrals.

What a piece of shit. No wonder it's hard
to get direct referrals.

(I got a comment from Cameron on one of
my older posts - the one about NeoBux's
autopay, where he said that he linked the
post to his Top3-Pay-to-Click blog - which
he did. On that same page was the traditional
spreadsheet of direct referral earnings:
... and, my apologies. I mis-saw what
was there. Anyway, I can skim it off of
bux.to's website anyway:

"Earnings Example
» You click 10 ads per day = $0.10
» 20 referrals click 10 ads per day = $2.00
» Your daily earnings = $2.10
» Your weekly earnings = $14.70
» Your monthly earnings = $63.00"

And how does bux.to accomplish this feat?
By using bots: (from PTC-I)
http://img16.imageshack.us/f/bots30547516jq3.jpg/

I'll revisit this in a moment.)

Hence the allure of NeoBux: you rent refs.
Not buy them, as with bux.to. Not convince
family, friends, and make business cards for
random people you might meet (yes, I did do
that - I got bux.to business cards from Vista
Prints. Wow, right?). But just pay a certain
amount as per which way you decided to
pay (30 days, 60 days, 90 days, autopay...).

The question then becomes: is renting refs profitable?
The answer? I don't know. That's what I'm trying to
figure out. And the answer might be thus:
After two years, with consistent reinvestment to
get more refs until you hit the standard limit of 300,
it won't be profitable. Two years sounds like a long-shot
to me. But seeing as I've spent that much time trying
to find a decent PTC anyway, it just might be something
to consider.

I mean, it's not like I won't still be looking out of curiosity,
even after I've sworn that I've stopped doing PTCs for
here now and forever, so I might as well do NeoBux on
the side. If nothing else, I could spend two years investing
nothing into NeoBux, manage the referrals, and come back
with the report.

So it looks like the key to having a successful referral system
would be to rent referrals. If this can be profitable for those
doing the renting, then the system basically sells itself, and the
direct referrals that would occur from people sharing wouldn't
be people trying to make money off their friends, but money on
top of their intended means of making it.

And that's why I only consider either PTCs that have a ton
of ads to click (at a decent rate, which means at the very
least about $0.0003 per ad), or to have a rental system.
Otherwise it's simply not worth the hassle of weeding through
the 90-99% of PTCs that go bad. Other people can do that,
and then you can search for which PTCs rise to the top,
and maybe include those in your base. Or not. *shrugs*

One thing I really liked about paidtoclick.in was the automated
payments. All I had to do was click, daily, on the ads. It was -
for the most part - a steady stream of income. Yes, it was about
$0.02 per every 3 days, or something like that, but it was reliable.
It was certainly better than $0 per day for looking for more PTCs
that didn't work.

So another method that I employ is that of finding low amounts
in a short period of time. Here, again, is a system where you
could find some direct referrals who might be interested in joining.
And then that could be incremental.

Overall, what have I found so far?
NeoBux, Swagbucks, Gomezpeer, and YouData.
Only one of those is a traditional PTC. I say "traditional"
because technically YouData is a PTC, but its style is
much different from what a PTCer would expect.

So, the second part: What's the problem with renting?
Accusations of NeoBux using bots usually become posts
that are deleted. Perhaps understandably, since the reaction
to this would be, probably, panic. Things like, "Has NeoBux
finally gone scam" might come up. Then again, perhaps the
admin actually IS using bots, and that's why the posts are deleted.

The problem with renting is that the average tends - or has tended -
to be very low. I guess it doesn't really make sense that the users
are bots, in that way, since, with sites like bux.to, you were pretty much
guaranteed to have a high click rate - but ah, until the ref reaches
around 300 clicks. Then it's a dead fish.

Which is why the craziness of some refs is troubling. It seems,
sometimes, that a referral would be active for a few weeks,
and then the average would just drop, or become non-existent.
This has been what has been behind the almost Tessa-like
declaration from people trying of "Well, you've either got it or you don't."
(Tessa has a scheme where you can take three steps and join a
bunch of stuff and he'll promise you $125. When you complete the
steps, if you don't read the fine print, you realize that you need $200
to cashout. And in order to get that you need to do some heavy
marketing... or... something. Hence, it's a friggin' pain in the ass,
and almost guaranteed to not work if you don't know what you're
doing. I didn't. Lost a few bucks on that...
Reminds me a little of GDI, and GDI reminds me a little of FHTM.
GDI stands for Global Domains International.
FHTM stands for Financial Hi-Tech Marketing.
Both have great referral schemes, but if you don't like the product
(and the products for each isn't so great), then the whole
program falls apart.)

So, I think that'll be my homework to myself (which I'll probably
do out of sheer PTC-addiction), to figure out this renting
referral thing, and how I can make it profitable for myself
and others. Numbers are one thing. Behavior is another animal
entirely. I got about $1.50 built up before I rented 3 refs;
a little lower than is recommended to start, but I sort of just
want to observe the 3 referrals more than anything else.
I was getting bored with just clicking 4 ads per day.

So. There you have it. I'm addicted. :-( :-P
Not to say that I'm not still looking into other
methods. This post is specifically about PTCs
and NeoBux.

PTCs during my spare time...

2010-07-02T17:57:00.000-05:00

Alright. So, since I don't exactly have a job right now and I have plenty of free time, I figured I'd get back into PTCs for a while, since it doesn't take much time to click 'em per day, and it's better to make money while doing other stuff (and perhaps eventually have it pile up (neobux)) than to just be watching videos and discussing philosophical issues all day.

Accordingly, I'm going to want to get a bang for my buck (as I imagine y'all also want). So,
first is gathering PTCs to evaluate (the really easy part). The
second, is to weed through the ones that totally suck (like bux.to).
Third, is to evaluate whether they'd bring in income fast enough (the heuristic that I gravitate toward is being able to reach cashout at or within 30 days).
Fourth, which is the spot that I'm just starting to get to, is how many clicks per day you want to do. This part will vary - some of us can only tolerate 5 minutes of clicking a day, while others can go a-clicking for nearly 12 hours. I'd imagine that the 12-hour people are rather rare, but I'm thinking spending 1 to 2 hours a day wouldn't be unreasonable for a heavy PTCer. And some days, 30 minutes would do. Thus, prioritization of PTCs is to take place, putting the ones that have both the fewest clicks and the fastest payout, at top.
Fifth, would be the waiting time. A waiting time of 30 days is not so great. A 7 day waiting period is alright. The best, of course, would be instant.
Sixth thing to consider would be the money amount, but considering this in relation to all the other factors, it's not that important, especially considering that the higher paying PTCs tend to be the ones that are scams.

I'm putting together a spreadsheet with my evaluations of the PTCs. I'm not sure how I'll post it. I might just put it in its full form as another blog post. Also, I want to recommend YouData - I had dismissed it because, at the time (about a year ago) it didn't support Sprint, which tends to be the service I use. Now it does. And it looks like the pay is pretty darn decent.

New Horizons: The Stock Market?

2010-06-28T03:44:00.000-05:00

As all 8 of you are aware (assuming that all 8 of you actually read this blog, which is presumptuous of me), I haven't posted a blog update... for a really, really long time. Not as long as a year, but I'm not exactly posting every month.

I'm not sure what to do about the title of this blog - "Which PTCs Work" - since, as it's turning out, (unless of course I'm just not managing them well, which is entirely possibly and plausible), it's possible that none of them work. At least, not in the way I was planning.

The plan was to gather up a bunch of little PTCs (sites with lower amounts per ad and so also lower payouts), and collect those until I had a substantial profit going. There were two problems with this. One problem was... the lower you go, the less worth the while it is. You can only go so far until you're clicking an ad for $0.0000000001. And I'll bet you my two eye teeth (whatever that phrase means, which I don't know why I thought of, but whatever), that ads like that exist. How many of those ads do you need to make a cent? Yeah, exactly.

The equilibrium of this was to aim in the range of $0.002 and $0.01 (anything above that reeks of scam). Paidtoclick.in was a good one. NeoBux was a good one. DollarClickOrSignUp was a good one. Then I got a job at Subway. That changed my perspective a little. So, clicking on $0.002 ads didn't seem as worth it anymore, and because sites like DCOS eventually went from $0.01 per click to $0.002 per click, and there aren't and weren't that many of them, collecting these sites wasn't exactly that easy, nor profitable. One huge advantage, however, of DCOS, has been that I got 2 referrals who have made me a decent amount of residual income. Just the other day I cashed in $3 for doing... nothing (100% referral earnings). Not too bad. But not too good, either. And as to why they're clicking on those pathetic ads, I have no ideas, but hay, fellas, ty for monae.

So, PTCs are out of the mix for me. Why? Because I want a type of income that I can pass on, one that isn't reliant on getting more people into the game as a means to make money. Low PTCs are one of those, since most of them are scams, and the rest of them ain't worth the effort. However, that doesn't mean that I'll ignore all PTCs. My NeoBux account was suspended because I wasn't using it. The other day, I signed up again. I have no idea if it'll pay off, but I think it's worth playing around with. And it's certainly (if I can get it to work) a PTC that I think would be worth passing on (even though anyone who knows anything about PTCs has already joined it).

Now, what have I moved onto? Just because one version of internet revenue isn't working for me, does that mean that I'll accordingly just eschew the internet altogether? Hell no! I'm too obsessed with this medium to do that! And besides... I'm lazy. I don't like the idea of getting a job and being reliant on that, I don't like hard work, and I'm 20. Whoa. Sound odd? Yeah, I'm odd (although, I guess, who isn't?). The only reason I can conceive of for having a job is one or two of the following:
1. Money to use for what I'll actually do. (i.e. Startup; foot in door; learning capital).
2. Rubbing shoulders with businessmen and learning psychology (i.e. Watching people, interacting with people, as this helps me figure people out, which is one of my goals).

Also, I recently went to a Get Motivated! seminar, and then after that, a financial seminar about Tax Liens, Credit Spreads, and various other stuff. They also talked about Options and, basically, the Stock Market.

Do you remember seeing those Forex and eToro ads in NeoBux, assuming that you've done some NeoBux? Yeah, I'm trying a demo of the stock market on eToro, and reading up on the stock market. Later, I'll probably put some play money in. Right now, I'm doing the demo, where you start out with $2,000 (play money).

So, what am I currently doing?
NeoBux - just started, $0;
GomezPeer - started around 8th month of '09 - So far $12.77. I've made. Make note - I've been having internet connection problems and have been using a rather slow internet.
Swagbucks - started a bit before the 11th month of '09 - $15, and I have requested $5 more last week.

Is this a lot of money? No. Is this money that you could be making with pretty much no effort on your part? Yes. So, essentially, if you're not using these two programs, you've lost, possibly, $27, over about an 8 month period (might be different, might not. I just chose a number so I could work with something). I know, so impressive. That's why I'm trying to figure out more stuff to do on top of those. And $27 for 8 months is, sometimes, a lot more to show for what you've done than what you might get for a year of PTCing. Sheesh - I spent around $200 on bux.to! How's that for stupid! Shoulda spent it on NeoBux... Anyway, I'm trying to figure out more stuff to do, how I can help more people, et cetera. And I probably will spend that $90 on NeoBux, because it looks a heck of a lot more stable than bux.to ever was.

The next question, accordingly, is How can you help others*, without putting a crank in your neck by doing all the dirty work that would seem to be required of a business? How can you help others*, and still just click buttons on your computer, and make a killing, and help others make a killing?
I have no idea. Yet.

Stocks look like a definite possibility. Funded by getting a job and getting some leeway started. Definitely will want to consider more stuff, though. Don't like the looks of a job. I'd rather do odd jobs here and there... but could I do those through the internet? Maybe Odesk...

*Focusing on helping others gets you money, and giving it away, means you keep the money. This is what the guy from the financial seminar said. Internal focus means you'll never keep the money; outward focus gets you money like there's no tomorrow. The problem that I'm having with that is this:
"Ok, so I want money. So, how can I help you, because I want your money?" It seems a little... contradictory. Also, another focus is that of competency.

PTC Investigations Moved

2010-05-04T13:35:00.001-05:00

From the new site:
"Blog Deleted by Google

Google blogger deleted us due to running a blog about ptc sites. They consider it now as spam. We did receive a review from blogger months ago and past inspection. They approved us and unlocked our blog, even though the bot had marked us as spam. Not too sure if they will unlock it this time due to recent reports we have received from other bloggers who were unsuccessful in unlocking theirs.

So we got good news and bad news. The good news is that we have our work saved on file up to April 14th. Just a little over 2 weeks of work is lost. Bad news, it will take time for us to upload all the info onto this site/domain. I have to do it by hand. So give us time to get things going again. If I don't respond to email, you know why. I am busy. So requests to review sites will be on hold till we get all the info uploaded again.

I had a feeling this was going to happen, but dreaded having to move everything here. We already had this domain for several months. Just getting around to moving everything was a hassle. Looks like Google forced us into getting it done. We still love blogger, even though they no longer love us. We will still carry on. Just have to work harder to get everything going again.

For those who were sponsored in rotators, it will take time for the search engines to find us again. So you wont see the results as you did before. That is if you were lucky to gain referrals from our banners.

Well let me get to it...see you guys soon ...

~ PTC Investigations ~

This page was last modified on May 03, 2010"

The old site (which won't give you anything now): http://ptc-investgations.blogspot.com/
The new site: http://ptc-investigation.com/default.aspx

:-) Looks like the name changed for the better, though that's a very small reason to be glad.

Not Really Enthused.

2010-04-19T15:08:00.001-05:00

I've finally decided to say it: I've become rather disinterested in
PTCs as of late. The earnings simply aren't enough. And it's
really tedious. I've lost interest in them. So the "lots of little
ones that add up to a lot" doesn't really work out - there
aren't enough, and the pay is too low.

There's also the problem of Why I'm doing them. I'm doing
them to get paid, and you know what? That's why the PTC
rate always gets lower after a while. You see a new PTC up
with $0.01 per click? A few months later it's at $0.005, and
soon it's at $0.0001? Yeah, and guess why. It's cause the
eyeballs going to the ads aren't worth much more than that,
and the expectations are adjusted accordingly.

A few of the other things I've been doing have been working
out alright, and I'll definitely be sticking with them, and hopefully
trying to find more of them. There are two of them, so far.

One is Swagbucks (yes, that's a referral link).

The other is Gomez (yes, another referral link).

(annnnnnd, the picture isn't working... it's a pretty one, too!)

These two are the main survivors of that PTC test that
I've been trying to figure out. With Gomez, you're providing
value to website testers, and they pay you accordingly.
With Swagbucks, it's more of a paying-you-for-what-you're-
already doing type. Really, that's what both of them are like -
having your computer being turned on and on the internet,
and getting paid for that is pretty much getting paid for what
you were already doing.

work-online.org.uk was another promising site, but it
has two important downfalls. One of them is that the
keywords are hella-annoying to incorporate, and sometimes
even, understand. The other is that there isn't a consistent
amount of work available. And the kicker is that you don't
exactly know how the writing is being used, except that it's
for "research". Much be rather shoddy research...

So, there are two things that I'm focusing on right now.
One is that of being paid for what I already do
(searches, chatting, whatever), and trying to find
two more methods of earning money, one of which
is that of setting up little things here and there that would
make me a little cash, and can be automated. Then
I could just make a lot of those, and it would eventually
accumulate.

The other thought I have is doing odd jobs here and
there, such as helping out older people figure out how to
use computers. Apparently there's a demand for that.

I'm not sure if I'll change the blog name or whatnot,
but things are going to start changing a bit. One thing
I don't want to end up doing is that of referral hogging
(which is when you're competing for referrals because
only you and not other people benefit from that).
Instead, I'd rather have something that I could use myself,
and then share it with others if it's even worth having.
Such as Swagbucks and Gomez. Perhaps it could
be a community sort of process, where everyone ends
up sharing their money-making methods, till eventually
we're all rich. :-) Now there's a thought!

You might be wondering, if I'm trying to avoid
referral-hogging, why I posted up my referral links
instead of the main links. Well, because for those
who would see the links and just sign up haphazardly...
why not? If you see it and want to share it with someone
with the main link or your referral link, go for it!
But you do know that the way these things spread
is through incentivising people recruiting each other?
and so that's partially what I'm doing. It's just that
if you end up taking that part too seriously,
and put the dependence of your livelihood on it,
that's when it becomes referral-hogging, and
that's the part that I'm trying to avoid.

Decent PTC? review: ClixSense (ongoing / semi-decent)

2010-03-02T15:44:00.005-06:00

Number of ads: 3-15 (varies) (without the upgrade)
Pay per ad: $0.01 to $0.02
Cashout: $10

$10 / (3*$0.01) or (15 * $0.02) = 333 days or 30 days.

This will be investigated further.

"5-10"
http://www.workathomenoscams.com/2009/07/21/is-clixsense-com-a-scam/

"4-5" (india), "20" (upgraded), "2-4" (india)
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1285984.aspx

"lots of ads after premium, and then 1-5", "2"
http://ptc-investgations.blogspot.com/2009/06/clixsense-clixsensecom-legit.html

Will track number of ads daily to find overall average:
3-2-10: "5 clix found" "Only displaying listings matching your profile settings." (I have everything checked)

Decent PTC? review: OleBux (not decent)

2010-03-01T20:38:00.000-06:00

Number of ads: 6
Pay per ad: 6 ($0.005) = $0.03
Cashout: $2 or 50 clicks

$2 / $0.03 = 67 days.

Decent PTC? review: SkyperPTC (not decent)

2010-03-01T18:21:00.000-06:00

Number of ads: 5
Pay per ad: 2 ($0.001), 3 ($0.0005) = $0.0035
Cashout: $1

$1 / $0.0035 = 285 days

Decent PTC? review: AdPTC (not decent)

2010-03-01T18:16:00.000-06:00

Number of ads: 10
Pay per ad: 10 ($0.002) = $0.02
Cashout: (from PTC-Invt) $1

$1 / $0.02 = 50 days

Decent PTC? review: EarnEasyCash (decent)

2010-03-01T18:09:00.001-06:00

Number of ads: 84
Pay per ad: bulk of 3; ($0.002), ($0.0353), ($0.025) = $0.038
Cashout: $0.90

$0.90 / $0.038 = 23.5 days.

Decent PTC? review: ClickOrSignup (unknown)

2010-03-01T18:00:00.000-06:00

Number of ads: ?
Pay per ad: $0.02+
Cashout: $1

The daily clicks sometimes are not there.

Decent PTC? review: PTCInnovation (not decent)

2010-03-01T17:55:00.000-06:00

Number of ads: 20
Pay per ad: 4 ($0.002), 8 ($0.0015), 8 ($0.001) = $0.028
Cashout: $2

$2 / $0.028 = 71 days.

Decent PTC? review: MagicalClix (not decent)

2010-03-01T17:48:00.000-06:00

Number of ads: 39
Pay per ad: 4 ($0.007), 4 ($0.0035), 4 ($0.0025), 24 ($0.0015), 1 ($0.0014), 2 ($0.0001) = $0.0666
Cashout: (from PTC-Investigations) $10

$10 / $0.0666 = 150 days.
Also, to get cashout, becoming a
premium member is required.

Decent PTC? review: Indoclix (decent)

2010-03-01T17:35:00.001-06:00

Number of ads: 38
Pay per ad: 1 ($0.001), 37 ($0.0005) = $0.0195
Cashout: $0.10

$0.10 / $0.0195 = 5 days.
Looks good!

Decent PTC? review: DealBarbiePays (not decent)

2010-03-01T17:30:00.000-06:00

Number of ads: 4
Pay per ad: 1 ($0.01), 1 ($0.0025), 2 ($.0015) = $0.014
Cashout: $10

$10 / $0.014 = 714 days.

Decent PTC? review: HalfPennyClicks (semi-decent)

2010-03-01T16:02:00.000-06:00

Number of ads: 7,
Pay per ad: 7 ($0.025), 4 (paid to read $0.025) = $0.0275
Cashout: $1

$1 / $0.0275 = 36 days

Off by 6 days. This one's sort of a toss-up to me,
since I do like it; though I didn't like it when the
pay was decreased from half a penny to half of
a half of a penny.

Decent PTC? review: Neobux (not decent)

2010-03-01T15:48:00.000-06:00

Number of ads: 4
Pay per: $0.01
Cashout: $2, 3, 4... 10

$2 / $0.04 = 50 days
One of the better ones, but still
no enchilada. It's not "decent" in
the sense that I'm using the word...
still one of my favs though.
Instand payout, popularity, and
all that jazz. But no, it's not decent,
unfortunately.

Decent PTC? review: CashSwing (decent)

2010-03-01T15:41:00.002-06:00

Number of ads: 113
Pay per ad: 5 ($0.001), 2 (paid to read ad $0.0025), 5 ($0.0075), 1 ($0.005), 112 ($0.00025) = $0.0805
Cashout: $1

$1 / $0.0805 = 12.5 days

Although, there's that little catch of 112 ads at $0.00025.
However, since they're all concentrated at one spot, and
since we might end up clicking at a lot of ads at other
places.... I'm considering it!

Hm... without those 112, it is....?
Pay per ad: 5 ($0.001), 2 (paid to read ad $0.0025), 5 ($0.0075), 1 ($0.005) = $0.0525
$1 / $0.0525 = 19 days
Not bad!

Decent PTC? review: incentria (not decent)

2010-03-01T15:29:00.000-06:00

Number of ads: 15
Pay per ad: $0.001
Cashout: $1

$1 / $0.015 = 67 days.
If you had a friend or two to
join you, this would probably be
a decent PTC. However, the focus of
these reviews is to have referrals
be unnecessary.

(ad post test)

2010-02-27T18:33:00.000-06:00

Can the burst suggest an orchestral microprocessor?

Decent PTC? review: PTC Sky (not decent)

2010-02-27T17:29:00.000-06:00

Number of ads: 12
Pay per: 1 ($0.00125), 3 ($0.001), 8 ($0.0005) = $0.00825
Time per: 1 (20 sec), 11 (10) = 130 seconds
Cashout: $1

$1 / $0.00825 = 121 days

1st Decent PTC? review: TheClixWorld (not decent)

2010-02-25T16:27:00.000-06:00

Since I was on TheClixWorld, I thought I'd start with
that one.

Number of ads: 16
-Checked over a period of time? No.
Pay per: 14 ($0.00125), 2 ($0.0001) = $0.0177
-Checked over a period of time? No.
Time per ad: 12 (10 sec), 1 (20 sec), 1 (15 sec), 1 (7 sec), 1 (0 sec) = 162 seconds
Cashout: (paypal) $3.49

$3.49 / $0.0177 = 197 days

Also: The website loads really slow for me, which is annoying...

Conclusion: This is not a decent PTC. It has the markings of one - number
of ads, pay per ad, and time spent, but the cashout is its vice. $3,49 put it
at a 197 day wait, which simply isn't decent.

(Please note: As things change over time, this post will change over
time to reflect the status of this PTC; for example, if it goes scam.)

What makes a PTC "decent"?

2010-02-25T15:55:00.001-06:00

1. The setup of the daily ads and the cashout
makes it possible to cashout in 10-30 days.
2. The ads are worth at least and preferrably
more than $0.0001.
3. Time spent on the ad being not more than
40 seconds, although this one is more optional,
depending on the quality of 1 and 2.

The idea is to gather up a lot of PTCs
instead of focusing on one, so that
you get a lot of little cashouts quick.
What would you prefer, a PTC that has
4 ads per day at $0.01, with a $2.00
cashout that will eventually go to $10
(Neobux),
or a lot of little PTCs that you can cashout
in 10-30 days?

Also:

I've already been through this before, so to start with

I'm going to go through PTC-Investigation's Legit PTCs

list and find the PTCs that are decent. After that I'll be

searching for PTCs as well as taking suggestions.

Rethinking PTCs

2010-02-22T18:52:00.000-06:00

About 2-3 months ago I had planned on shutting down this blog (which I did by not posting on it), and perhaps even deleting the contents. Two things kept me from doing the second - I hate it when I lose data (because it's really annoying and it screws up figuring out what happened in the past), and I kept using the PTCs now and then, though mainly NeoBux. I've been doing a lot of thinking about a lot of stuff lately, and I also got a job about a month back. Getting a job (at Subway) changed my perspective on the scale of things. Getting a $100 check after a week is a lot different than, say, putting in 1 year at bux.to (I know, I know, that's a tad unfair to PTCs) and getting $10.

So I've rethought PTCs, why we do them, why advertisers do them, and it seems kind of weird to me how the two approaches are almost mutually exclusive. There are the PTCers (you and I, if you're doing PTCs) who are after money primarily, and then there are the advertisers, who are looking to get their content promoted. The main appeal of this approach - PTC - is that it seems easy for both sides. The advertisers can pay for their ad to be seen by ad clickers (the workers), and the PTCers can click through the ads like workers. It's win-win for both sides, with minimal effort.

Or is it?

One thing that I noticed about new start-ups, such as DollarClickOrSignUp, is that the site starts with a high-pay -- $0.02 or $0.01 -- and then over time, that amount slowly declines, until it's at about $0.005 for all of the ads, instead of the few at the end. And now it's at $0.005 in the front and $0.0025 for the rest of the pages. It's at this point that it's, at least for me, "no longer worth it," which is the point of this blog - 'a search for decent PTCs.'

There are a few questions that I've come to about this, because if this isn't working, and it hasn't been working for a long time, why the hell is it taking so long for it to work? This being internet-based and all, it would make, perhaps, more sense for there to be a quick adjustment. Here, then, are what I think are the essential questions to ask:
1. Why are you PTCing?
2. Why are advertisers using PTCs as a means of advertising?
3. Is there a gap between PTC users and PTC advertisers - is there an expectation on one side that is impossible to meet?

Imagine that you're an advertiser, and you want your stuff to be seen. Are you going to want the casual PTC user to just combine your ad with a whole bunch of other sites?* No, you're going to want that user to actually look at the friggin' ad. Why the hell are you paying him if he or she isn't going to look?!
And so you adjust your prices to pay him/her accordingly...
*(This is a technique used to get the maximum amount of money for a minimum amount of work, and it usually involves tabs and keeping PTC sites in a favorites folder)

The majority of people who are coming to this blog would be PTCers like myself - there's not really a need to say, "Imagine that you're a PTCer." Instead, there's the question - why are you PTCing? The answer tends to fall along the lines of "easy money", with serious PTCers ... kind of online addicts. (Ahem... me.) I have been looking for a way to make money online, partially because I didn't want to get "a real job". That's one reason out of a vast majority of reasons, of why various people PTC. However, if the most common reason, why the vast majority of people PTC can be answered, then a revision of PTCs can be made.

The big problem with the disconnect between PTCers and advertisers is pretty much that PTCers want to have their cake and eat it too. This has been referred to as "there is no such thing as a free lunch." This is a touchy subject for me. But it needs to be dealt with.

One solution to the problem of people not paying attention to ads was suggested to me by a site that utilized it - the site only counted down when you were looking at it. Possibly, the reason why it didn't stick around was
that it didn't address the basic want, so people stopped using it. Or was it Palmbux? I forget. However, before we get to solutions, it would be a good idea to address the basic philosophy this is all built on. After this has been done, PTCs, or perhaps the user, or perhaps the advertiser -- or perhaps all three, can be improved and innovated.

Shutting Down

2009-12-11T16:50:00.001-06:00

I started my online adventures as many do - trying to make money online as a side hobby. It became more, though, because I couldn't find another way; I was and currently am a leech on two people (my parents). I end my online adventures in PTCs because I do not see the mutual benefit of such an endeavor involved. Either you are taking advantage of advertisers, or being taken advantage of by a PTC owner. I say taking advantage of advertisers, because the point behind it is "paid to click" - not paid to look. I used to want to be, as it were, "employed" by a PTC - paid for the job of looking at advertisements. Even though this does look like fair trade, the reason that it exists is a backwards approach. If nothing else, my reason for PTCing was that of taking advantage of PTC owners, and for that reason alone, there is already an inherent conflict of interests.

I am not opposed to making money online - I am opposed to non-mutual benefit. It could be also put as that I am for "win-win" or "no play" situations. This would be a "no play". If you're not getting anything from a deal, then you might as well be sacrificing your effort and time. Having read Atlas Shrugged, along with anti-statist theory from theorists such as confederalsocialist (fringeelements), and Stefan Molyneux, but especially epitomized in Atlas Shrugged, it is my desire to become self-sufficient, and opposed to that desire is non-mutual benefit, and that is why I am shutting down "Which PTC's Work?". This service of blogger.com is, itself, a free service. That is something, as I intend to keep this blog up for archival purposes, that I need to deal with. I have been incorporating this mindset as I find things coming along, and it is quite easy to spot places that I have been using for free and that are therefore non-mutual benefitting.

Since this blog has been dedicated to a leech-based direction - PTCs - it would make sense to simply delete it: it perpetuates the cycle of leeching that I am opposed to. However, it is not for me to be an archon, and the attention that this blog yields for blogger.com means money. But, that money goes to leeching activities.

Simply put, I am leeching off of blogger.com and will need to account for that, although, I recall how google works, in that it makes money from ads... I am undecided as to whether I will delete this blog. However, it is being shut down.

ClickorSignup $2.05

2009-12-06T14:42:00.002-06:00

"Hello ----,

clickorsignup.com just sent you money with PayPal.

Payment details

Amount:		$2.05 USD

Transaction Date:		Dec 6, 2009

Transaction ID:		-----

Subject:		DCOS PAYMENT

ClickorSignup $1.57

2009-12-06T14:39:00.002-06:00

"Hello ----,

clickorsignup.com just sent you money with PayPal.

Payment details

Amount:		$1.57 USD

Transaction Date:		Dec 6, 2009

Transaction ID:		----

Subject:		DCOS PAYMENT

ClickorSignup $1.08

2009-12-06T14:37:00.003-06:00

"Hello ----,

clickorsignup.com just sent you money with PayPal.

Payment details

Amount:		$1.08 USD

Transaction Date:		Dec 6, 2009

Transaction ID:		----

Subject:		DCOS PAYMENT

ClickorSignup $3.39

2009-12-06T14:35:00.002-06:00

"Hello -----,

clickorsignup.com just sent you money with PayPal.

Payment details

Amount:		$3.39 USD

Transaction Date:		Dec 6, 2009

Transaction ID:		-----

Subject:		DCOS PAYMENT

ClickorSignup $5

2009-12-05T12:11:00.000-06:00

"Hello -----,

clickorsignup.com just sent you money with PayPal.

Payment details

Amount:		$5.00 USD

Transaction Date:		Dec 5, 2009

Transaction ID:		10931122JA9878639

Subject:		Thank you!

Message:		Thank you for your patience!

Swagbucks $5 paypal card

2009-12-05T12:07:00.001-06:00

"Thank you for shopping at the Swagbucks.com Swag Store. Your Prize has been shipped.
Please allow up to 10-14 business days for the delivery of your items.

Item: PayPal - $5 (ON SALE!)
Order Number: ----
Order Date: 11/08/2009"

"Hello -----,

PRODEGE, LLC just sent you money with PayPal.

Payment details

Amount:		$5.00 USD

Transaction Date:		Dec 1, 2009

Transaction ID:		----

Subject:		PAYPAL GIFT CARD FROM THE SWAG STORE

QuidsCorner $5 payment (to be)

2009-12-05T12:05:00.002-06:00

Dec 1

"Funds Are on the Way!

Hello -----,

You have just been sent a payment by eCheck. You will receive the money in about 7-9 business days (estimated: 10/12/2009-14/12/2009). We recommend that you wait until the money arrives before shipping items. We'll email you when this eCheck payment has been deposited into your account.

eCheck details

Amount:

$5.00 USD

Transaction ID:

------

Note:

Dear user, Here is your payment from QuidsCorner.com. Regards, Admin

Round 2: (#10) Requested cashout from DollarClickorSignup $2.0510

2009-12-04T17:05:00.002-06:00

ClicksVista $5 payment

2009-12-01T07:26:00.001-06:00

Round 2: (#9) Requested cashout from DollarClickorSignup $1.5680

2009-11-30T08:57:00.002-06:00

$1.5680

Round 2: (#8) Requested cashout from DollarClickorSignup $1.075

2009-11-27T02:56:00.001-06:00

$1.075
DollarClickorSignup

Round 2: (#7) Requested cashout from DollarClickorSignup $3.386

2009-11-24T04:01:00.003-06:00

$3.386

DollarClickorSignup: Received payments on the same day

2009-11-24T02:34:00.002-06:00

#6 or 5 or 4 ($1), and #6 or 5 or 4, and #3 ($1.12), and #2 ($1.56).
To be verified: #6 or 5 or 4. I have one more $1 coming to me.
As per the amounts... I'm going to cashout different amounts from
now on to make tracking easier.

Sign up link for DollarClickorSignup

Been busy and a tad hopeless...

2009-11-22T01:03:00.003-06:00

Then I realized that I haven't clicked in NeoBux for
2 days and remembered PTCs. I'd been investigating
the ideology of Objectivism, having read Atlas Shrugged.

On a different note, I was surprised that the drop was only
for two days. I'd been studying Ayn Rand for almost a week.

Gomez Peer 1st payment: $6.39

2009-11-19T14:31:00.001-06:00

Gomez Peer - get paid for having an internet connection

(#6) Requested cashout from DollarClickorSignup

2009-11-16T10:56:00.001-06:00

$1.00

DollarClickorSignup

... I probably should have done differing cash amounts to better determined which one came at which time...

Requested cashout from ClickorSignup

2009-11-15T12:32:00.000-06:00

$5.00

Sign up link for ClickorSignup

(#5) Requested cashout from DollarClickorSignup

2009-11-14T12:34:00.004-06:00

$1.0000

DollarClickorSignup

(#4) Requested cashout from DollarClickorSignup

2009-11-14T11:57:00.005-06:00

$1.0070

DollarClickorSignup

(#3) Requested cashout from DollarClickorSignup

2009-11-12T14:12:00.005-06:00

$1.1160

About half from my clicks, half from referral.
Requested 11-12; will receive on 11-18?

Sign up for DollarClickorSignup

edit:
from http://www.dollarclickorsignup.com/members/terms.php under "Payment":
"Payments are currently sent out daily. However, starting April 11, 2009 payments will begin to be sent out weekly. Payment terms are subject to change with a 2 week written notification to all members. "

(#2) Requested cashout on DollarClickOrSignup

2009-11-10T19:56:00.002-06:00

$1.5630

$1.12 from referral p-------2.

data:
starting from page 5 of $0.755
11-3: $0.265 my clicks
11-4: $0.205
11-4: request of $1.1850 ($1.90)
11-4: referred p-------2. Credit of $0.01
11-7: $0.566 referral clicks
11-8: $0.02 referral clicks
11-9: $0.345 referral clicks
11-10: $0.421 referral clicks
$0.43 my clicks
11-10: Withdraw of 1.5630 (request, probably will go through on ~~11-6~~[typo]11-16?)

Niiiice! When I get 3 cashouts, I'm going to put DollarClickOrSignup as #2. When I get a feel for the regularity of the payout, I'll put it as #1.

$1.19 from DollarClickOrSignUp

2009-11-10T17:54:00.000-06:00

Wow. I wasn't expecting that.

(Requested the 4th
Received the 10th
6 days)

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Requested cashout on DollarClickOrSignup

2009-11-04T13:46:00.000-06:00

$1.185

sign up link: DollarClickOrSignup

PaidToPromote = PaidToRedirect

2009-11-04T03:35:00.002-06:00

In visiting subhacker to see whether there were any new mylots posts on his page, I found myself redirected to another page. Thinking of my own blog, I immediately suspected PaidToPromote. And there it was, at the bottom of his page.

I had wondered what PaidToPromote was going to do to get traffic to other sites. This, then, appears to be the explanation. On whatever page you have the code, that page will redirect onto some advertising site. This is similar to what the intermission type ad of LinkBucks does, except that instead of just being annoyed of having to wait a few extra seconds to get to the content you wanted to get to, there is no "back" button.

I have gotten rid of the google and bidvertiser ads on my blog, mostly because I did not want to promote what I thought of as garbage (scams). I thought that PaidToPromote would take a similar route, perhaps giving out better sites actually worth checking out. Since this is not the case, but worse, I can not recommend PaidToPromote. Instead, I advise avoiding it, and especially not putting it on your site.
If you see a 'http://www.777seo.com/seo.php?', it's probably a PaidToPromote redirect.

Paid by a hippy? :-P

2009-11-03T06:57:00.001-06:00

I've noticed this before, and it's happened again. The pending prepament is a tad off!

This isn't anything to be alarmed about. It looks like the guy just has a... unique way... of going about setting the payment up. Which I find really amusing. ;-)

PaidToPromote causes redirect

2009-11-01T19:24:00.003-06:00

Using iframes... I lost the text when I was trying to put it here.

ClicksVista $19.80 payment

2009-11-01T19:04:00.000-06:00

UpBux: promising site (first impression)

2009-10-31T11:34:00.000-05:00

Hearing about UpBux from a mylot post today, I checked PTC-Investigations to see what I might find. "Legit", is what I found. Additionally, when I was looking at IMRC, people were talking about UpBux there, too. As has been said in other places (PTC-I, mylot, and IMRC), UpBux has a simple but familiar format; nothin' special. It looks like "just another PTC", except in the "hmm that might be legit" sense, in the same (but opposite) way that paid2youtube has a mark against it by using the same format as bux.to.

What I find striking about the site is that it has a gambling area. This area has games that are exactly like that of moola's, but on a PTC: Hi-Low, Heads or Tails, and Blackjack.

So far, looks good. ... let's give it a few months though.

This Blog redirecting to other sites

2009-10-31T11:15:00.000-05:00

I've been noticing that my blog is redirecting to other sites... ad sites. I'm not sure if it's only been happening to me, or if it's been happening to others who visit this blog. Could anyone inform me? It's just as annoying as when the paidtoclick ads were doing it, and I've resorted to the same tactic - pressing Esc to stop the page redirecting/loading. But, this is no way for a blog to run.

QuidsCorner $18.92 payment

2009-10-31T10:05:00.000-05:00

PaidToClick.in payment history

2009-10-27T08:22:00.002-05:00

I was paid again today. I missed posting one payment proof before this one (or perhaps more, I don't recall exactly). I don't feel like doing more of them for PaidToClick.in, and since, additionally, I feel that it has proven itself, I will instead post occasional summaries.

(the following has been edited to fit within this blog format)

Withdraw History

Request Date	Date Paid	Account	Net
Oct 27, 2009	Oct 27, 2009	somethingseaarchive@gmail.com	$0.09
Oct 22, 2009	Oct 22, 2009	somethingseaarchive@gmail.com	$0.04
Oct 22, 2009	Oct 19, 2009	somethingseaarchive@gmail.com	$0.06
Oct 13, 2009	Oct 13, 2009	somethingseaarchive@gmail.com	$0.27
Oct 13, 2009	Sep 28, 2009	somethingseaarchive@gmail.com	$0.19
Oct 22, 2009	Sep 22, 2009	somethingseaarchive@gmail.com	$0.12
Oct 27, 2009	Sep 17, 2009	somethingseaarchive@gmail.com	$0.19
Sep 09, 2009	Sep 09, 2009	somethingseaarchive@gmail.com	$0.06
Sep 09, 2009	Sep 03, 2009	somethingseaarchive@gmail.com	$0.03
Aug 31, 2009	Aug 31, 2009	somethingseaarchive@gmail.com	$0.07
Oct 13, 2009	Aug 28, 2009	somethingseaarchive@gmail.com	$0.05
Aug 26, 2009	Aug 26, 2009	somethingseaarchive@gmail.com	$0.01

Method: (always) Paypal
Fee: (always) $0.00

Total: $1.18

NeoBux: For the Future?

2009-10-22T19:02:00.000-05:00

NeoBux has taken a turn that may mean more profit in the future, or the start of a downfall. At around the 20/21, the admin of NeoBux announced the starting of some phases. On the 21st, many NeoBuxers were presented with a choice (something like the below):
1. YES - I want to move ahead with the future, paying the fee ($0.02 per referral for some, $0.05 for others, and some more varying amounts)
2. NO - I want to keep the system as it is (and face potential penalties?).

There was a warning that the choice was permanent, so to choose carefully.

There was an uproar about this. The thing most asked for was, basically, "more details, please!" We knew the cost of saying YES -- letting referrals die would cost at least $0.02 per referral. As many commented, it seemed to leave many in a deadlock. I myself had and have been concentrating on making my NeoBux account stable. I was renting a lot more than I had before, and they just weren't performing. I suspect that this measure is being put in to decrease the amount of renting going on, "abusing" the system.

The admin remarked about the responses to his post, along with the result (93% said YES, 7% NO, and about 50% of those who complained still clicked YES), that he was trashing phase 3 because people weren't ready for it, and toning down phase 2. People on the forum kept talking about Trust and having Faith in the admin. I always see this as a bad sign. While I understand the direction that he wants to take this, the encouragement to what basically amounts to "blind faith"... I take a double-take at it.

What will the future hold for NeoBux? I'm not sure, but I'm hopeful. What it brings may mean that I can no longer support it as the best PTC. It's been the only PTC that has had universal praise. That might start changing. Yet... it has done quite a lot for the PTC landscape. I can't go back to the other PTCs - their payment method is too slow. A wary Kudos to NeoBux.

Paid To Promote $0.12 payment

2009-10-15T15:49:00.000-05:00

Well, it works!

PaidToClick.in $0.27 payment

2009-10-13T14:31:00.002-05:00

How to make $2 a day in ClicksVista

2009-10-03T11:14:00.000-05:00

http://www.clicksvista.com/pages/index.php?refid=shyguy76767The clicks in ClickVista (if you click all of them) are worth about $2.34 or $2.35. I got the first number from going through them all and putting them in the computer calculator, so I leave room for error; the second comes from the earnings report. However...

(email)
"Clicksvista.com Tracking issues"
"Dear Members,

We have noticed that some of our users still have issues with tracking of their clicks, specially new members. So I am forwarding the below information again to all the users.

Do some clickings on Clicksvista.com, wait for about 15 mins, delete your cookies and cache, login to your account again and then do more clickings. Most of our users have tried this and worked. If you are also using Quidscorner.com then after you finish clickings on Clicksvista, wait for about 30 mins, delete cookies and cache, then do clickings on quidscorner.com.

IT IS NECESSARY TO DELETE YOUR COOKIES AND CACHE BEFORE YOU START CLICKING EVERYDAY.

If aboove solution does not work then please read the below post on the forum, it is very useful and resolved many tracking issues. Here is a link from the forum. Please signup to our forum and look at the post it resolved most of the user's issues with regards to tracking.

http://clicksvista.com/forum/index.php?topic=40.0

If you are not satisfied with the level of service then I can provide you online help via MSN LIVE MESSENGER, you can add me as admin@clicksvista.com and we can try some live tracking of your clicks.

Users are the life blood of any website and we will take every step to make sure you are satisfied. Again I would highly recommend you to join our forum where you will find all these topics discussed by users and the solutions.

Hope this helps, If we can be of any help let us know please.

Regards,

Admin"

To highlight the important To-Do information:

Do some clickings on Clicksvista.com, wait for about 15 mins, delete your cookies and cache, login to your account again and then do more clickings. Most of our users have tried this and worked. If you are also using Quidscorner.com then after you finish clickings on Clicksvista, wait for about 30 mins, delete cookies and cache, then do clickings on quidscorner.com.

I have yet to calculate how long this entire process would take, but I would guess that the clicks take 5-10 minutes to do. In total, then, (10 + 15 + 10 + 30 + 10) clicking, waiting, clicking again, waiting for Quid, clicking would amount to 75 minutes, or 1 hour and 15 minutes.

In addition to ClicksVista and QuidCorner, I am also still doing NeoBux, PaidToClick.in, and BigKahunaClicks. I keep meaning to keep doing PalmBux, but it's sort of an on-off-on sort of thing. I'm also doing Paid2YouTube, but I'm not sure if it'll pan out; it's looks too much like bux.to.

What is the minimum to cashout for ClicksVista and QuidCorner? Both have cashouts at $5.

When are you paid by ClicksVista and QuidsCorner?
ClicksVista's answer:
"All requests received on or after 30th ofeach month will be paid on 15th of next month. Requests made on or after 15th will be paid on 30th and 31st of each month.

So the next payment run is on 15th September and 16th September for the requests made till 14th Spetember."

QuidCorners' answer:
"We pay members on the 1st of every month.
20th is the cutoff date
For example, all withdrawal requests made between 21st May 2009, to 20th June 2009, will be paid on 1st of July."

$5 from ClicksVista!

2009-09-30T15:24:00.002-05:00

So, guess what? That site I was talking about before? $5 from it! I was trying it out until I got to the minimum, to see if I'd actually get paid. And I did!

If you click through all of the links, you can make about $2 a day. The payout is every 15 days. Seems like that means $60 per month. Not so bad!

NeoBux investment

2009-09-29T10:09:00.001-05:00

$5 to NeoBux balance, used to extend referrals.

$0.03 from BigKahunaClicks

2009-09-29T07:02:00.001-05:00

$0.04 with 1% fee from BigKahunaClicks.

2 months of profit: PaidToClick.in

2009-09-28T07:11:00.001-05:00

August: $0.13
$0.01 (25th)
$0.05 (27th)
$0.07 (31st)
(avg: 3 days)

September: $0.59
$0.03 (2nd)
$0.06 (10th)
$0.19 (17th)
$0.12 (21st)
$0.19 (28th)
(avg: 6.5 days.)

$0.19 from PaidToClick.in

2009-09-28T06:51:00.000-05:00

Payment request to TruthPTC

2009-09-23T03:20:00.002-05:00

$0.02 with 1% fee to $0.01.

Requested $0.53 from slobux

2009-09-22T21:10:00.003-05:00

Date	Amount	Paid	Processed date	Processor
Today, 08:09	$0.53	No	No timestamp

$0.12 from PaidToClick.in

2009-09-22T01:43:00.000-05:00

Payment from BigKahunaClicks: $0.04

2009-09-21T16:49:00.000-05:00

I'm not sure if I'll classify it as decent. Seems more like kinda decent.

BigKahunaClicks payout request

2009-09-20T14:13:00.002-05:00

$0.05 withdrawl, fees make for $0.04.

No Decent PTCs?

2009-09-18T15:16:00.005-05:00

Perhaps I simply haven't been in the PTCs long enough. Right now is rough times, at least for my NeoBux. I'm still trying to figure out a strategy that works, and there's a lot of background maintenance going on. If, however, all of the PTCs that pay can be found, perhaps a combination of them would be a decent pay? Eliminating the high-paying PTCs (scams), the BuxHost scams (most BuxHost sites), and only going off of the better-paying PTCs shown on PTC-Investigations, I come up with NeoBux (possibly not though, if you want a fast/big income with rents right away) and PaidToClick.in. PaidToClick.in, which I highly recommend of all of the PTC sites, will probably give you a monthly income of about $0.50 (based on making about 1.5 to 2 cents a day). Which, again, isn't much, but it is decent, considering how most PTCs go and work.

On the upside, I recently found two higher-paying PTCs, and prospects look good:
#1. ClicksVista
#2. QuidsCorner

So, I might start focusing on those if I get paid by them. The concept is similar to PTCing, except with a few extra clicks, and no wait time.

$0.19 from PaidToClick.in!

2009-09-17T03:10:00.000-05:00

It took about a week, and boy did the clicks add up! ... I've been enjoying a bit of competition with trying to be the top clicker. It's annoying when I've clicked all of the ads but only get #2! XD There are also a lot of LinkBucks links on the site. I've come to simply use firefox to do the bulk of the ads, so that I don't get annoyed when I come across 7-12 LinkBucks ads. While LinkBucks is great for those links that are for information or entertainment, they totally circumvent PTCing!

Paid-To-Promote... what?

2009-09-15T20:32:00.001-05:00

Found a new website where you're apparently paid to ... promote the website itself?

It says, as you can see, "Paid To Promote Any Website". That's where I'm confused. I copied the html stuff (which is what you see above), but it seems to be only self-promotion. Where does the "any" part come in? Will that be later?

There's another version of it. Not sure how it works. If indeed it is basically self promotion, I don't see how that's self-sustainable. But hey, if it's free, and we'll get tons of money for signing others up... sure! Why not!

Holy NeoBux Ads Galore!

2009-09-11T19:52:00.000-05:00

They were up for about 2 minutes, I think. But WOW, man. Wow. Who are these Capital West Advisors guys?

:-) NeoBux clicks seem to be up

2009-09-11T19:13:00.001-05:00

And I changed my strategy so that I wouldn't be drowning for money to use for maintenance. I have turned autopay back on, and I'm going to be leaving it on. Those who click will survive (or at least be more likely to survive) and those who don't, will drop off.
Basically, if those who click don't maintain themselves, then it wasn't meant to be.

There are a few referrals who have just one day left on their rent. They're probably going to drop off -- their clicks are low, and they aren't worth refreshing, since I would both refresh and recycle them ($0.36); I could just rent for $0.28 per referral instead. However, for the referrals who have low clicks but have a lot of days left on them, I'm recycling them.

Rent + renew for 90 days* + autopay + recycling low clicks = win? We'll see.

*well, I've been renewing some of them for 30 days, mostly out of panic. I've stopped doing that.

What about dem Google Ads?

2009-09-10T14:23:00.001-05:00

In my somewhat waning interest for internet money-making ideas, and slight desperation for anything, which, isn't so unusual for me, I've turned to looking at google adsense (having looked at a few decent blogs, http://makemoneyforbeginners.blogspot.com and http://bloggerunleashed.com). I already have it up on my blog, but I don't exactly have a lot of visitors. And, in pre-trospect, why would I have up ads that I didn't feel were worth clicking?

So, I've taken screenshots of the ads, and I'm going to review the sites. If I think the sites are worthwhile, then I'll keep them up. If I think they're full of shit, I'll take the google ads down.

The first one is mrmisupercash. Looks like you have to spend $1 to even find out how it works. Well, maybe later; I'm tight on money.

Second one: midgesonlinewealth. It's looks free, and that's good, but:
"What I discovered will shock YOU!

91% of Work at Home programs are complete and utter SCAM!

"
To me, that screams, "I think you're an idiot." It leads to three other opportunities: ZFM, or Zero Friction Marketing, The ClickBank Code, and Copy n Profit, all of which seem to have the price of $77 (seperately).

Third one: opportunity.com... costs $39.99.

Fourth one: surveyjobopportunities.com... I don't like survey stuff. I might get to it later.

Fifth one: hits4pay. Hits4Pay I recommend and use. I have $14.20 on it right now. It sends you emails about new inbox emails to read, and I usually just archive most of them and use the link for the last one once every week and do them all in one shot. Kind of like a slower PTC, almost, that pays $0.02 per click. So, yeah: I like Hits4Pay so far. Cashout is at $25. The main quibble I have with it is that it supports taxes and tax laws, which is anti-thetical to freedom. However, since we don't have freedom from American tyranny of democracy, I consider it as H4P covering their ass.

Sixth one: Read-4-Cash. This one led me to Worldprofit.com (it was the bonus) along with two people streaming from cams telling me things to do. I watched a 18 minute 10 second video. The read-4-cash site doesn't seem to have much more than a sign-up spot. More details on that later, perhaps. The 2 Worldprofit people there want me to put $90 on my paypal credit to get me signed up for their silver membership and stuff. I'm going to be back in an hour to watch the seminar. I don't think I'll join, but I think the seminar will be interesting. I've already got two strikes against it: $90 cost, and the sponsors badmouthing "skeptic".
I googled "worldprofit scam" and got a few sites; http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=15888
had this part, which I found to be true in what I saw, too:
"Notice what I've watched Mr. Lant and Mr. Carpenter do for the last few days...sat in a public webcam chat channel on their website where they claim to CLOSE YOUR DEALS FOR YOU. CLose what deals? Oh, that's right, all they do is order people to watch their recruitment video, full of vague promises of booming business and cash flowing like wine, and are offered no other instruction other than to consider what package they're going to buy. "
I was in the chatroom and someone named Elizabeth was talking about how she was disabled. They went on about how she should stop feeling sorry for herself, and the he was disabled and you didn't see him moping about. And, while it's a good lesson to have, it was put across in the rudest way I could imagine. They reminded me of another deal that I have been glad, years later, that I didn't accept. The time limit, the badmouthing skepticism, and their almost-hatred of any questioning of the site's ability... it's left a distaste in my mouth.
However, some claim to have made profit. So... I'll just say that it's not the sort of site that I would want to use. Maybe you would, though. I don't know.
It doesn't sound promising, though:
"I Just sat through a webcast hosted by Dr. Lant. I was promised 50,000 visitors to my website after sitting through the entire webcast. Well, the webcast was long boring and basically shameless self-promotion for "The Silver Package", which you can read about in other posts here.
After the "Yawn-cast" I returned to the members area and asked if I would then be credited with my "free visitors" Mr. Jim Carpenter rudely answered my post by saying that after he was finished with his time to promote "The Silver Package" he would take questions."
(use Ctrl+f, copy the quotes, then paste them on the website page, to find the context of it faster)
other:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/Internet-Marketing-Companies/WorldProfit/worldprofit-don-t-get-fooled-l-e8375.htm
http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/business-financial/15252-world-profit-scam.html

http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=1631442
This guy/girl did what I did:
"Something didn't feel right. You know that gut feeling you get when you know something is too good to be true? I decided that I would not spend anything at that time. Instead, I researched Dr Jeffrey Lant and his amazing WorldProfit outfit."
"A search for Dr Jeffrey Lant proved a lot more interesting. My search engine had predicted my search terms and as I put in Dr Jeffrey Lant, it added Scam to the search phrase.
Now I was on to something. Why would such a reputable company, with such an esteemed founder and CEO have an automated search term of 'Jeffrey Lant Scam'?" I had automatically included the phrase... oops?
"What I found was that WorldProfit was nothing more than a scam. Admittedly a very good scam, but a scam none the less. You see, the $99.95 monthly fee, with no contracts and no cancellation fee was a lie. These guys sell their 'Silver Package' (that is the only package they have) for around $1,200. When unsuspecting victims join, they are actually agreeing to finance this by 12 instalments of $99.95 - try to cancel and they want 30% of the balance, stop paying them and they will hit you with a legal notice and threat of legal action." Which is what I read on that scam.com discussion, too. Sounds expensive.
"Let me just say, that there were some positive posts and articles. For instance their was the guy praising Dr Lant for all his hard work and fantastic results. As expected however, this was a WorldProfit distributor, not exactly impartial." Yeah, the ones I saw that had positive results were from World Profit, too.
"A rather positive reply was left, stating how wonderful the company was, how it acknowledged the mistakes it had made but none the less, it was making millionaires out of ordinary people. By the way, that reply was made by Sandi Hunter, the president of the company." What website, dude? (Probably a lot of the same ones I found) Cite it, cite it!
"I copied all of the URLs that I had found on the WorldProfit Scam and on the Dr Jeffrey Lant Scam and returned to their sales centre. Again, I was greeted by Dr Lant and he immediately asked me why I had not signed up. Then his associate was quick to call me a time waster and a loser.
Never one to lose my cool, I simply said I had been researching the opportunity and that it all seemed very interesting. They were soon telling me how fantastic their business was and how I was going to be their top producer. Then I hit them with it. I said, 'Jeff, I have been doing some research and whilst I am interested in your program, there are a claims that I would like you to answer'. Well, the good Dr, hate being called Jeff, so I immediately annoyed him. Then I posted the URL links to the page. He read them and after 10 minutes started shouting abuse at me, telling everyone in the forum how I was a pain in his ass, how I was a loser and how I would never make it in life. He was rude, obnoxious and could not answer defend any of the claims against him. Instead, he acted like a child and barred me from his website." I shall expect the same, then. Makes me wish I hadn't used my real name...

And here's a guy that apparently took the program: http://www.stumbleupon.com/s/#5kUDUN/www.worldprofitnews.com//topic:Research
"But, I attended a few of their live online conferences and watched them a while to see how they operate. I was interested at first because I saw that they where closing sales. So, I decided to check it out some more and I went ahead and bought a silver package to see what it was all about.

After a few weeks I realized that that was all it was; you buy a silver package and tell other people that they can make money online …and all that they’d have to do is buy their silver package and it would contain all the tools they needed to make money online.

As a part of the silver package you’re required to go through a boot camp training program and they recommend that sign up to about 20 different traffic exchange and safe list sites. Then you’re supposed to blast your offer out to the safe lists and hope someone will come to your website and hopefully get caught in the same spider web your stupid ass just signed up for.

After I realized what I had gotten myself into, I sent them a support ticket to have my account canceled and they shut my site down the very next day and never billed me again. So, this entire experience cost me $99 and a lot of wasted time." And perhaps saved some people a whole lot of time.
Apparently, "After going through that whole ordeal I found something that has been working well for me and I’m now making a full time income online. If you’d like to check out what I’m doing now, you can take a look at two of my websites where I offer a nice bonus for anyone who joins me. Here’s my no.1 recommendation: Secret Affiliate Code. And no.2 is: Four Tier Annihilation Method." So I'll get around to reviewing those sometime.
http://www.articlesbase.com/home-business-articles/beware-of-the-scam-artists-933071.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080619111410AA6Envy
http://www.bbbapproved.com/2009/06/world-profit-and-jeffrey-lant-scam/
"Are you living on air?" is what he said to Elizabeth, too.

Alright, so: all of the signals I'm getting about World Profit is "IT'S A SCAM!"

Seventh: SurveyMoneyMachines. Haven't gotten the email yet. I suspect it got caught in the spam box. ... yep it got caught in the spam box. And... it looks like sign up opps. It might be legit, but I just don't like these types of sites.

Eighth: thelucidlife. Costs $75 to use/join: http://www.lucidroulette.com/lucid/payment.html
Apparently, though, there's a 110% refund if you can prove that the system mathematically isn't profitable: http://www.lucidroulette.com/lucid/payment_files/shapeimage_4.png
I doubt that it's "hackable", as it were.

Conclusion: With the exception of Hits4Pay, they all look pretty glim. I'm thinking of taking the ads down...

NeoBux... meh.

2009-09-10T09:28:00.000-05:00

So, it's been a few days...

2009-09-08T13:51:00.000-05:00

After that crash with the referral clicks going down, I sort of lost my enthusiasm. Right now, I'm still doing NeoBux, but much more conservatively, reinvesting the money as well as I can until I can find referrals that will click at good rates. I haven't been using PaidToClick.in, mostly because ... well, I was depressed about the clicks on Neo. It's not really up at all, and I've been doing some recycling, too. Hopefully it will eventually get better.

I've been thinking about the concept of it. It's basically free money, rents are, unless you invest. So, it's a pretty good deal if you've got the patience for it, which, I'm pretty sure I do. I'm still learning how to work the refs.

I had $1.022 in my main balance, $1 of which that I transferred into rental. I don't plan on cashing out anytime soon, so why not, y'know?

I turned autopay off because, as from the advise of one of the posters on the NeoBux forums put, 'it puts you off balance.' I'll probably turn it back on when I'm sure I have mostly steady referrals. So, rule of thumb: keep autopay off until you have stable referrals.

There are a lot of people on the forum complaining about low ref clicks. I would be included in the people who have been getting lower clicks, but I'm going to say "blind!" until I've spent more time learning the system and figuring out if it really is indeed something to do with the system, or just me. I've also stopped bothering with the daily update. I'll just "check in" once in a while.

Paid again by PaidToClick.in

2009-09-03T01:19:00.000-05:00

Seems that I'm getting a payment about once every 2-3 days. The payments vary from $0.02 to $0.07. So, I'm going to see what the minimum and maximum could be per month.

30/3 = 10 (min)
30/2 = 15 (max)

$0.02 (min)
$0.07 (max)

10 * $0.02 = $0.20 per month
15 * $0.07 = $1.05 per month.

Nothing special, but still something. For about 15-30 minutes a day, it's alright.

Work-online.org.uk: Paid and asta la vista!

2009-09-02T20:51:00.000-05:00

Not that I won't check up on it once in a while to see if it's, uh, "improved". But I doubt it will.

work-online.org.uk: Finally!

2009-09-01T08:02:00.002-05:00

Finally, right now this morning, the last story that I needed to get approved, got approved. I can get my hair out of work-online.org.uk! I shall request my £10.12 and be done with the site!

NeoBux: "I'm Golden - My Avg Went Down!"

2009-09-01T05:58:00.003-05:00

Thread

"What THEY tell:

I was standard with a high avg, when I became Golden avg suddently went down.

What REALLY happens in most of the cases:
As standard you need a high avg to "make profit", so you'll recycle your refs.
As standard you normally have few refs, easier to track the bad ones.

As Golden you'll rent more refs
more refs = harder to find the bad ones
As Golden you'll get the double per ref clicks
more money = less recycle

Most people do this, I did, and when they see Avg down they come here and complain."

NeoBux: AutoPay Explained (finally!) + thinking about a strategy

2009-09-01T01:08:00.002-05:00

I have been reading people who were talking about autopay, and never quite understood it. I assumed that, with autopay, if a referral didn't click, they were auto-replaced. That doesn't sound too good, because what if it was a referral that simply missed a day of clicking? Additionally, it costs $0.008 each day. Either way seems rather dicey. I hadn't understood it until now, and that's why I wasn't using it. However,
this post had something different to say:
"Reggen666 already answered your question in the previous post, you don't have to make another post. Autopay is AUTOPAY. Whenever your rented referral clicks, it adds 1 more day to the remaining days of that referral. Example, the ref has 25 days remaining, he clicks today, tomorrow he will still have 25 days remaining."

So, here's what autopay is:
Whenever your rented referral clicks, it adds 1 more day to the remaining days of that referral. Example, if the ref has 25 days remaining, and he clicks today, tomorrow he will still have 25 days remaining. This makes autopay an essential feature of NeoBux; essentially, if you find a good rent, you'll never have to renew that referral again. And, since the price is $0.008 per day, you will, apparently, save 10% of the total renew price ($0.28). By my calculations, $0.008 * 30 days = $0.24. So, yes, it's an overall savings.

Henceforth, I'm turning my autopay on.

...out of curiousity....
1 active... $0.008 per day
6 active... $0.048
10 active... $0.08
25 active... $0.20
50 active... $0.40
100 active... $0.80

50 active ($0.40 per) click 1 ad: $0.25
click 2 ads: $0.50

100 active ($0.80) click 1 ad: $0.50
click 2 ads: $1.00

Hmm.

50 with 1.8 avg = -$0.40 + $0.45 = $0.05
50 with 1.7 avg = -$0.40 + $0.425 = $0.025
50 with 1.6 avg = -$0.40 + $0.40 = $0

So, each of them needs an average of at least 1.6 to break even.

Hm...

56 rents cost:
$18.48 to extend 30 more days
$33 (10% discount) to extend 60 more days
$44.22 (20% discount) to extend 90 more days
= (dividing by appropriate days)
(/30) $0.61.6 per rental
(/60) $0.55 per rental
(/90) $0.49 per rental

Autopay costs per rental (for 30 days):
$0.008 * 30 = $0.24... Something's off. That or the savings from doing autopay is much more than it looks like.

Let's focus on just one rent:
Renew for 30 days: $0.28
Renew for 60 days: $0.50 (Two 30's = $0.56)
Renew for 90 days: $0.67 (Three 30's = $0.84)
Autopay on for 30 days: (.008 * 30) $0.24
Autopay on for 60 days: (.008 * 60) $0.48
Autopay on for 90 days: (.008 * 90) $0.72

Given the current rate of clicking by most of mine (9th day so far), the good clickers will need to be refreshed about once every year, the medium ones about once every 3-4 months, and the bad ones, every month. I guess, then, autopay is a good way of finding out who has a bad record.

Now, what was with that discrepancy up there? Hmm...
$18.48 / 56 = $0.33.
But $0.28 / 1 = $0.28.
And $0.28 * 56 = $15.58, not $18.48.

...OH. I have 66 rents, not 56. $18.48 / 66 = $0.28. Good.

The autopay strategy is useless for the newcoming NeoBuxer. Only after you start building a base of referrals is it useful. Once you get some money flowing, turn it on. However, if you don't feel comfortable with turning it on, don't. What is does, though, is this:
Autopay:
IF
-> rental clicks that day
THEN
-> -$0.008 from rental funds
-> + day to referral that clicked (i.e. the referral clicked that day and he has 25 days left - tomorrow that referral will still have 25 days left)

What if the rent doesn't click? Then nothing happens. A day goes by. Eventually you'll need to either let it die, refresh it, or renew it if you want to get another referral to pay with. Which of these is more beneficial? Depends. If you let it day, you're down a rent, but you didn't lose any money. If you refresh it, you're refreshing a dead rent - i.e., if you're going to refresh, it should be because there's the possibility of more activity; otherwise, it's because you want to recycle for $0.008 to try out a new user. In this case, you'll want to use the 90 day renew.

90 day renew: $0.67; cost of recycle: $0.008. Let's assume (30/7) 4 recycles per 30 days of the 90 days.
Total cost: $0.67 + $0.08 * (90/30 * 4) = $1.63
So, for a perfectly awful rent set (i.e. you always get a bad rental when you recycle), the cost would be pretty dismal. Since this is unlikely to happen, it's more reasonable to assume that the user (being me) would stop recycling after 3 attempts. Why? Because I just recently found out that NeoBux recycles your rental (if the referral is inactive, meaning no clicks at all) for free after 14 days; I thought it was just for those who had upgrades. I was wrong, thankfully.

Putting these scenarios together, what would make for an overall net of $0?
Let's assume an overall average of 1.0.
With 50 rents, that makes for
+$0.25 per day from clicks
-$0.40 per day from autopay (net loss)
Alright. Now an overall average of 1.8.
50 rents:
+$0.45
-$0.40 (net gain)
Average of 1.6.
50 rents:
+$0.40
-$0.40
There's the money (lol or lack thereof). A net gain of Zero. Anything above that is gain. Anything below that is loss.

However, this isn't how it actually works. One chunk of them are fairly active (something like 2.2 to 2.8), another chunk is decent (1.7 to 2.0) and about 1/4 and fewer of them have an average of less than that. And most, if not all of them, are active, or eventually become active.

With 66 rents, so long as I make at least $0.528 in average per day and put that in the rental everyday, my rents are sustainable. Not profitable, but sustainable.

What would I need for a profit of $1 per day?
Required money per day: $1.53. Each click worth $0.005; 306; 206 / 66 = 3.12 (12 repeats)
Avg per day so far: (130 + 97 + 120 + 117 + 91 + 106 + 141 + 122 + 122 + 124 + 75 + 115 + 130 + 111) / 14 = 114; placeholder amount = 2 places (91) ->110.
110 / 66 = 1.6 (repeats)
Well, that's simply splendid to know. I'm not making money, but I'm not losing it, either. Bleh. Well, at least I'm sustaining... basically.

To at least sustain the rents I have, I need to maintain an average of 1.6. That means at least (1.6 * 66) = 106 clicks per day. Anything above that is me making some profit (that I can then reinvest). More strategizing later...

Which PTCs Work: Conclusion to date

2009-08-30T06:09:00.000-05:00

I came across a blog in my internet travellings: Online Approved, it was called.

After looking at the list of PTC sites that were personally recommended by this blogger, I came to this statement:
"The only way PTC sites could really be profitable to you is if you had dozens of faithful referrals, which is unlikely for most of us.

So with the exception of You Data, I think PTC sites are a waste of time. If you still want to start using them, join You Data first, and then try Wordlinx or MyPoints."

While I agree that most PTCs are essentially a pyramid scheme (because they're not worth the effort and to make them worth the effort you'll have to get direct referrals (which means that you'll be stringing along your side others for whom this endeavor will be a waste of time...)), but, what I think is critically missed in this evaluation is rented referrals. Granted, there is the possibility of the referrals being bots. This possible investment risk can be easily circumvented by only signing up with PTCs that allow you to use your main balance to rent referrals, instead of having to invest your own pocket money.

That being said, if renting referrals proves to be a waste of time, then YES, ALL PTCS ARE A WASTE OF TIME (if you intend to make a decent amount of money).

So far, according to my above heuristics, the only PTCs that I recommend are NeoBux, PalmBux (maybe not though, since I've never seen referrals available for rent) and BuxWiz. PTC sites that require the package to be more than $1-2 (i.e. more than 3 rents at a time) can be discarded.

If renting referrals on NeoBux does not pan out for me, I will stop using PTCs altogether. With, perhaps, the exception of PaidToClick. There aren't too many ads, and it looks like it could be a pretty consistent income of, like $0.05 per 2-3 days. Nothing big, but not too bad for not too much effort. BigKahunaClicks is also paying, but there is a 1% fee, which, in my opinion, takes a huge chunk of the money you earn.

So, really, there's only one PTC site that I can recommend: NeoBux. And until I make profit with it (I'm at -$28 in net profit), it's going to be a small recommendation.